Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Well, I gotta say I don't trust guys like Scott Ritter, Gen Mac whatever, John whatever, and all the other guys who are regularly on the YouTube-show of this Iranian guy Nima....they are all "controlled opposition"!
The US establishment knows that many people don't trust mainstream media anymore, so these guys are sent to YouTube to influence peoples opinions....these guys appear anti-establishment, and many things they say are probably true, but they also mix in misinformation, which the viewers then also consider as truthfull....

You always have to be extremely sceptical with EVERYTHING you read or hear, especially with these guys who had important positions in the state, military, intelligence....such people don't suddenly switch sides and become critical of their own country, they are all controlled opposition:

Urban Dictionary: Controlled opposition

Controlled opposition: A controlled opposition is a protest movement that is actually being led by government agents. Nearly all governments in history...

www.urbandictionary.com

But yes, at least here we have real persons who are qualified, whatever their motivation is, and that is definitely better than Twitter bullssshhhh...

The US media has zero credibility. It is always suspect when you have a guy who claims to be a former CIA analyst. Is there such a thing, or is he just another misdirection play? This particular debate was much more plausible than random BS on X.

 

[FUB]

could be, but could very well not be


its not certain, whats certain is the sophisticated collapse of info. security..

is this even a point of debate in any other country??

hello!

No one is debating that. In a war, there are exchanges. What I am saying is that the result of war is not absolute, as some in this forum like to claim. Before the attack on Iran, they played the same script in Russia.
Did that decide the outcome? No
They took a massive amount of Russian territory in a counteroffensive. Did that result in the outcome of the war? no
Security failure- Yes
Thirty IRGC top personnel killed. Yes
Scientists killed-Yes
Natanz damaged? Yes. But the extent is not known
Fordow damaged? unknown
They were not decisive in the outcome.

 

[ShapurII]

No one is debating that. In a war, there are exchanges. What I am saying is that the result of war is not absolute, as some in this forum like to claim. Before the attack on Iran, they played the same script in Russia.
Did that decide the outcome? No
They took a massive amount of Russian territory in a counteroffensive. Did that result in the outcome of the war? no
Security failure- Yes
Thirty IRGC top personnel killed. Yes
Scientists killed-Yes
Natanz damaged? Yes. But the extent is not known
Fordow damaged? unknown
They were not decisive in the outcome.

The extent of damage at Natanz Complex is more or less clear.
Nearly every critical component above the ground has been obliterated.

I like how you guys are trying to make it sound as if destroying our nuclear infrastructure is not important as long as the regime has not been toppled yet lol

The regime can barely provide drinking water to Tehran. It is only a matter of time before chaos erupts, if not the second round of war.

 

[FUB]

The extent of damage at Natanz Complex is more or less clear.
Nearly every critical component above the ground has been obliterated.

I like how you guys are trying to make it sound as if destroying our nuclear infrastructure is not important as long as the regime has not been toppled yet lol

The regime can barely provide drinking water to Tehran. It is only a matter of time before chaos erupts, if not the second round of war.

We are talking about the war itself. The only sure thing is that the research and development halls above ground at Natanz were destroyed. In addition, there was a limited strike at the Arak reactor, which was not operational, to my understanding.

I have said over and over. This regime's foreign policy is a disaster. In just a rough estimate, they caused 20 trillion dollars in nominal damages to Iran's economy ( 35 years at $500 billion nominal value plus inflation). I have never met one person who left and was happy about the economy or life in Iran.
The worst part of the regime is that they played this game for 35 years, and they have not declared themselves as a nuclear-weapon state or made the decision.
The Palestinian issue is not our problem. To take on world Jewry, and for what? Because they are clinging onto some ideologs' dreams.

 

[ShapurII]

We are talking about the war itself. The only sure thing is that the research and development halls above ground at Natanz were destroyed. In addition, there was a limited strike at the Arak reactor, which was not operational, to my understanding.

I have said over and over. This regime's foreign policy is a disaster. In just a rough estimate, they caused 20 trillion dollars in nominal damages to Iran's economy ( 35 years at $500 billion nominal value plus inflation). I have never met one person who left and was happy about the economy or life in Iran.
The worst part of the regime is that they played this game for 35 years, and they have not declared themselves as a nuclear-weapon state or made the decision.
The Palestinian issue is not our problem. To take on world Jewry, and for what? Because they are clinging onto some ideologs' dreams.

So, you think only R&D has been obliterated?

Nearly every critical component of our nuclear program above the ground has been obliterated. A few of them have already been confirmed destroyed.

We lost the first battle, and if the regime doesn't go nuclear, we will lose the war as well.

You already know my opinion about the regime. Khamenei is a KGB-agent while people like Rohani and Zarif are the representatives of Western interests in Iran.

 

[FUB]

So, you think only R&D has been obliterated?

Nearly every critical component of our nuclear program above the ground has been obliterated. A few of them have already been confirmed destroyed.

We lost the first battle, and if the regime doesn't go nuclear, we will lose the war as well.

You already know my opinion about the regime. Khamenei is a KGB-agent while people like Rohani and Zarif are the representatives of Western interests in Iran.

I do not know what was destroyed. "Rohani and Zarif are the representatives of Western interests in Iran." I agree. It is well known. Even regime supporters like Ali Alizadeh have called them out.
The problem is that you have personnel with limited education and questionable degrees and doctorates, making decisions for a country that has a large skilled labor force and enormous potential. Jumping with two feet into the US camp is not the answer either. The future is with China. Going to war with world Jewry is very stupid when they have captured one of the world's great powers.

 

[ToddE]

So, you think only R&D has been obliterated?

Nearly every critical component of our nuclear program above the ground has been obliterated. A few of them have already been confirmed destroyed.

We lost the first battle, and if the regime doesn't go nuclear, we will lose the war as well.

You already know my opinion about the regime. Khamenei is a KGB-agent while people like Rohani and Zarif are the representatives of Western interests in Iran.

Rafsanjani's leftovers represent the western block in Iran, Rohani, Zarif, now Pezeshkian, Araghchi who Vladimir Khameneiski happily pushes forward to cut deals with US so that when they fail because they are stupid as hell, he can blame them to escape responsibility.

Revolution was the worst thing to have happened to Iran in its entire history post mongol invasion. Mongols embraced Iran atleast and made it their home, these IRI priests are just local pimps for foreign agendas inside Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

I do not know what was destroyed. "Rohani and Zarif are the representatives of Western interests in Iran." I agree. It is well known. Even regime supporters like Ali Alizadeh have called them out.
The problem is that you have personnel with limited education and questionable degrees and doctorates, making decisions for a country that has a large skilled labor force and enormous potential. Jumping with two feet into the US camp is not the answer either. The future is with China. Going to war with world Jewry is very stupid when they have captured one of the world's great powers.

Define this "future with China" thing. What does that entail exactly?

Will China eventually become the dominant power in the world? Yes.
But not anytime soon. I don't see it happen before 2035, at least. It'll happen after 2045, most likely.

And even when it happens, do you guys think China will embrace Iran and establish a new world Iran with Iran as one of its centers, or one of their allies at least? I don't think so.

 

[Homajon]

7 things to know about Iran’s new Defense Council

TEHRAN – In a move to enhance strategic coordination and readiness, Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) has approved the establishment of a new Defense Council. Below are 7 key facts about the newly-established body.

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[Lulldapull]

They put us in this position by involving Iran in Intra-semite wars that we have no stake in. One can say they are following principles of Islam but to what avail? are we the only entity responsible for Islam? Jordanians and Egyptians see their kin Palestinians being butchered to shreds at their borders daily but they do nothing. Turkish are supplying Israel with 6 Billion USD worth Raw materials yearly as we speak, Azerbaijan is supplying its oil to Israel, nuclear armed pakistan does not even send a nail to Palestine, Arab league is opening Israeli embassies in their capitals then why we an ancient non semite nation has to suffer in name of Islam and Palestine? Islamic Republic Mullahs put us on a collision course against global zio mafia that controls US, EU, NATO. And while they made sure we have no nuclear teeth, no actual strategic allies, nothing ... just stupid mullahs and their Islamic "principles".

Iran with its resources, its human capital, its large geography could have been a great power like Japan or France if not for these stupid socialist priests running a shit show in Tehran.

Well put……no shit…….

This is why the Iranian forum here is worth participating in cuz the discussion is generally on the money.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

How about the other side? We all know the facts about the losses Iran suffered against the US. That is who they were fighting. Why is there such heavy sensorship over Israel? There is no dispute that it was a strategic defeat for both the US and Israel.
Do they know where the 600 kilos of Uranium are? No.
Did they stop enrichment? No,
Did the regime collapse? No.
Did they burn a primary card and expose their groups on the ground? Yes,
Has a war ever been won by an air campaign? No,

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Until we see satellite images from Israel, this was a draw at best and more likely a loss for Israel.

According to IR regime enthusiasts, IR has supposedly survived an information security collapse. Right? Wrong.

You seem to live in some alternate reality.

A collapse of this magnitude happens once in a lifetime—it is a rare event. Yet in IR, an information security collapse almost appears to be a business model. There are more "information security traders" than currency traders or share traders within IR. Do you grasp the contrast I’m pointing out? Most likely not (and thats the irony!)


So let me pose a simple question: IR reportedly destroyed radar infrastructure in Qatar. What holds greater strategic value for the USA—some radar or satellite dish (I admit ignorance of military hardware, as I’m not a military enthusiast), or an information security collapse?

The U.S. has airborne intelligence capabilities. So what’s more significant to them: a fixed radar installation or compromised information security?



IR needs new info. sec apparatus!

current one is the 'real replica' of the rea one!