Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Who wants to organize that?
The regime has distanced itself from Iranians abroad for 4 decades.
Why would they do that?

those suffering will be ordinary Iranians

it is a shame there is such a divide between diaspora Iranians and Iranians in Iran

 

[Liquidator]

the culmination of 20+ years of strategic indecision and naivety

if this means they have formally notified the President of the UNSC, the 30 day deadline begins today

if so, full snapback of all UNSC resolutions and sanctions against Iran will occur in 30 days

The Europeans seem to think they can halt the process if there is a deal before the 30 days are up. But even if there is a deal to extend the deadline, the US can now veto any attempt to pass a resolution to continue sanctions relief, so by the letter of the JCPOA, they cannot extend the deadline without the USA's approval.

In what scenario would the West have been fair to you?

They serve Israeli interests because Israel serves their long term strategic goals....European / white global dominance. This whole thing was a pantomime to begin with.

One again, in what scenario would the European fascists have allowed you to prosper?

 

[Persian Gulf]

In what scenario would the West have been fair to you?

They serve Israeli interests because Israel serves their long term strategic goals....European / white global dominance. This whole thing was a pantomime to begin with.

One again, in what scenario would the European fascists have allowed you to prosper?

in that case, condition society for war and build nukes, don't waste time making concessions and trying to negotiate with the devil

Iran now is very weak and Iranian society is too spoiled and not ready for war

 

[ShapurII]

in that case, condition society for war and build nukes, don't waste time making concessions and trying to negotiate with the devil

Iran now is very weak and Iranian society is too spoiled and not ready for war

If things continue the way they are, even the establishment is not willing to have a war.
They would rather surrender, it seems.

It seem surrender has been their plan all along.

 

[Immortals]

The European Union did not remove the sanctions in their entirety; on the contrary, it reimposed them and even increased them, VIOLATING THE TREATY. Iran paid and did not receive the car... so, the agreement is INVALID, as stated by the Russian diplomat on Twitter above. The E3 could only activate the SNAPBACK if it were complying with the treaty.

JCPOA was never a treaty. It a multi lateral agreement. It was never ratified by Congress, so it cannot be considered a treaty.

This was one of the most weak points of the deal. Obama told Iran he couldn’t get enough votes for a treaty.

The fact Irans decision makers were dumb enough to think JCPOA could hold up if a Democrat wasn’t in power shows you how incompetent they are.

 

[Liquidator]

in that case, condition society for war and build nukes, don't waste time making concessions and trying to negotiate with the devil

Iran now is very weak and Iranian society is too spoiled and not ready for war

Use those missile cities before it's too late.

Don't sit around waiting to get slapped.

One can only hope..

 

[Immortals]

What they should have done:

Non hostility with the U.S. after 1979
Built up the economy and gotten ToT like Turkey for military and economic technologies
Non Aggression pact with Israel (to buy time)
Built up their military and economy
Built up their oil and natural gas industry
Built up their minerals and mining industry
Built up their railway and ports

THEN when Iran was strong economically AND military they could break from Western orbit and fight for the Palestinian cause. This is what China did, the country whose population was starving and in poverty in 1950’s and 1960’s.

Instead Iran after 1979 they:
-funded useless terrorist attacks
-turned away from America/EU/China/Russia
-relied on Shah era investments in oil to keep them rich forever
-neglected air force
-neglected revitalization of the economic laws
-neglected modernizing the military outside of missiles and few sectors
-neglected building up the oil and natural gas industry

Now there simply isn’t any cards left to play other than a stockpile of uranium.

Iran might in the final hour decide to dash for the bomb, but in reality capitulation is incoming.

You guys should just mentally prepare yourself. Shame this government couldn’t see what many normal outsiders could see for years.

Anyone hoping Russia or China is coming to the rescue is on serious copium. There was never any true “strategic” deals with either country. We were bamboolzed or at least Iran was. It makes sense why Syria fell and Iran never retaliated to hundreds of strikes, they couldn’t. They were fully infiltrated and the enemy knew their pain points.

 

[BigMela2onin]

IR has no fight in it, and khamenei is no different than a helpless beaten dog awaiting further beatings. Everyone knows what needs to be done yet IR refuses to. If IR cannot or will not defend Iran's independence from foreign powers, then it serves no purpose and should be replaced with something that can.

 

[BigMela2onin]

 

[Persian Gulf]

JCPOA was never a treaty. It a multi lateral agreement. It was never ratified by Congress, so it cannot be considered a treaty.

This was one of the most weak points of the deal. Obama told Iran he couldn’t get enough votes for a treaty.

The fact Irans decision makers were dumb enough to think JCPOA could hold up if a Democrat wasn’t in power shows you how incompetent they are.

being a treaty would not have saved it from Trump, he doesn't care about treaties either

 

[Bharatah]

you don't know what you are talking about. if your nonsense theory (which is not supported in the text of the JCPOA) was right, that the Europeans cannot invoke snapback because they are in violation of their obligations themselves, Russia would not need to try to extend the snapback deadline in the first place.

Wrong. Europeans try to say they violated the agreement because Iran violated it...but Iran violated it after the US left. In any case, the JCPO becomes invalid, and the Security Council will have a split.

What could then happen:

Impasse and Uncertainty: The UN Security Council would enter into an unprecedented legal and political impasse.

The E3 and the USA would say: "The notification has been made, the 30-day period has started, and since we did not pass a resolution, the sanctions are back in force."

Russia, China, Iran, and likely other members would say: "The notification was invalid from the start, therefore the 30-day mechanism was never triggered. The snapback is illegal."

The USA and the E3 could try to act as if the UN sanctions had been reinstated and pressure other countries to comply with them, effectively challenging the authority of the UN Security Council. This would be the end of the Security Council, of international law, and of the UN itself. The USA, controlled by "Israel," would try to pretend that there is a "NEW UN" with NEW RULES, but in established international law, this does not exist.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Wrong. Europeans try to say they violated the agreement because Iran violated it...

show me where Europeans admit to violating JCPOA

 

[BigMela2onin]

Seems fake, there's been no program for 23 years.

 

[OldTwilight]

These days , i rather to wast my times on anything rather than following the disgrace I.R is bringing to our nation ...