Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hyperman]

US redline: zero enrichment in Iran.

Iran redline: legal right to enrichment for civilian purposes.

Compromise: Iran temporarily pauses enrichment for one year while US publicly accepts Iran's legal right to enrichment. Iran then resumes enrichment after one year having had its right to enrich recognised.

This seems like a better outcome for Iran than the US as it is the US that is ultimately backing down from its demand that Iran cannot enrich any uranium for any purpose.

But the Reuters articles claims this has not even been discussed at the talks yet and it is not clear that Iran would even accept a temporary pause in enrichment.

Its a trap, if enrichment stops its not easy to restart back up again. And there is a loss of latent capacity. For the latent capacity to be viable throughout, the enrichment process cannot be stopped.

 

[ShapurII]

Giving him an easy win is sacrificing our national interests.

Iran has never played the tough guy, we let Israel be the only nuclear state in the region, we let them kill our top scientists unanswered, we let them kill 5 Iranians in direct bombings unanswered ... etc. The revolutionary spirit of taking American diplomats hostage is long gone.

IRI took two years from when Trump withdrew from the JCPOA to start retaliating for god's sake.

No, keeping the status quo where we are under sanctions and our regional influence is shrinking day by day but we don't have the cojones to build nukes is sacrificing our national interests, and it must end immediately. The sooner, the better. If anything, the IR should thank their lucky stars that Trump wants a deal instead of doing something stupid like assassinating one of our other main figures. And we know quite well that he's capable of doing such a thing because he has done it once.

We let Israel be the only nuclear state in the region? We let them get away? So, should they thank us for that? You think corruption and selling our national interests for the lowest price in the IR is a nice gesture that we do voluntarily? You don't think, by any chance, it has anything to do with the fact that Russia, with Jewish oligarchs, has too much influence over our country?

IR never retaliated because they are not in control of the situation. They haven't been in control of the situation after the JCPOA and after Trump assassinated Gen. Soleimani. They did brag about retaliation (uranium metal production, rebuilding IR-40 reactor, 190K SWU UF6/year, blah blah blah), but they proved incapable of executing any of those threats. The guy who had the balls to do what he bragged about was Ahmadinejad and the system removed him from power completely.

 

[Falcon29]

US redline: zero enrichment in Iran.

Iran redline: legal right to enrichment for civilian purposes.

Compromise: Iran temporarily pauses enrichment for one year while US publicly accepts Iran's legal right to enrichment. Iran then resumes enrichment after one year having had its right to enrich recognised.

This seems like a better outcome for Iran than the US as it is the US that is ultimately backing down from its demand that Iran cannot enrich any uranium for any purpose.

But the Reuters articles claims this has not even been discussed at the talks yet and it is not clear that Iran would even accept a temporary pause in enrichment.

It makes it seem like Iran doesn't know what it wants. Happens with every US administration.

Stopping enrichment and getting enriched uranium out of country would be making a big concession.

All it took was US telling Israel to make threats then when Iran caves in start saying Trump warned Bibi against striking Iran and US is trying to prevent such a strike. When in reality no such thing is on the table. Iran is being played and Iranian government is playing along without even trying.

 

[StormBreaker]

Stupid mullas!

Just test your nuke and get it over with so that the world can move on, the Arabs scramble to build and test theirs too, so that the colonizers lose their sleep completely, pack up and move back to Europe so Paleatine can fnally breathe some fresh air. This will also greatly relieve pressure on Pakistan.

There is no down side to it.

The end of that racist evil entity will bring world peace!

Exactly. Dunno why they aren’t doing it yet. It seems they Want the actions to be lifted badly.

 

[ShapurII]

Exactly. Dunno why they aren’t doing it yet. It seems they Want the actions to be lifted badly.

The Anglo-Saxons and the Europeans have too much collateral: the families of all these so-called revolutionary figures in Iran either live/reside in Europe or North America or have huge investments there. How can you expect these people to do something that could very well put their families or investments at risk?

 

[SolarWarden]

Its a trap, if enrichment stops its not easy to restart back up again. And there is a loss of latent capacity. For the latent capacity to be viable throughout, the enrichment process cannot be stopped.

What! Wachu talking bout man?

Hey Iran, don't listen to this silly billy he doesn't know what he's talking about just stop all enrichment like the je... US wants and everything will be all's well. Trust us would we lie to you?

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Hack-Hook]

About 20% of Israel's population is muslim arabs. That's a very racist country, huh?

Each day about 100 of them are bombed to death.
2 million of them are put into rising camp and there are not allowed to receive any foot at the same time zionist holding barbecue party in front of them.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You want me to post what percentage of palestinians and muslims in region want Israel eliminated? I don't want to off topic this thread of which you've begun.

What was the percentage of black people in South Africa?
Why the country was called an apartheid regime and not a black supremacist regime ?

 

[Falcon29]

Best thing that could happen for this region is a nuclear arms race. Iran getting nuclear weapons will make everyone else race to get them and will ultimately force the US and Israel to make big concessions in the region at the minimum and at maximum they lose control of the region. And there is parity between nations.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Best thing that could happen for this region is a nuclear arms race. Iran getting nuclear weapons will make everyone else race to get them and will ultimately force the US and Israel to make big concessions in the region at the minimum and at maximum they lose control of the region. And there is parity between nations.

I agree with this but I don't think Iran developing nuclear weapons would lead to such a nuclear arms race since the Arab nations are too closely reliant on the US.

 

[Falcon29]

I agree with this but I don't think Iran developing nuclear weapons would lead to such a nuclear arms race since the Arab nations are too closely reliant on the US.

I think Saudi Arabia will develop a nuclear program. Turkey as well. Though even just Iran having nuclear weapons means US will have to work harder to not push some nations from diversifying their economy/military/agreements with other nations. Such as offering better weapons packages and giving them BVRAAM missiles, civilian nuclear program projects, etc....

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think Saudi Arabia will develop a nuclear program. Turkey as well. Though even just Iran having nuclear weapons means US will have to work harder to not push some nations from diversifying their economy/military/agreements with other nations. Such as offering better weapons packages and giving them BVRAAM missiles, civilian nuclear program projects, etc....

Neither of those countries have suitable nuclear infrastructure. Turkey will justify it by saying they are part of NATO and host US nukes anyway. Saudi Arabia probably can't develop nukes even if they wanted to but it doesn't align with their 2030 vision anyway.

 

[Falcon29]

Neither of those countries have suitable nuclear infrastructure. Turkey will justify it by saying they are part of NATO and host US nukes anyway. Saudi Arabia probably can't develop nukes even if they wanted to but it doesn't align with their 2030 vision anyway.

Turkey is on its way :

FAQ: Is Turkey the Next Nuclear Proliferant State?

Q: Has Turkey taken any steps to acquire nuclear weapons? Ankara appears to be taking quiet but deliberate steps toward producing enriched uranium fuel, which has dual purposes in fueling nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons.

www.fdd.org

Saudi Arabia is behind but will likely join the party in the long term :

https://www.reuters.com/world/why-does-saudi-arabia-want-civil-nuclear-deal-with-us-2025-05-08/