Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

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This is getting so boring. Every time they're attacked, they perform poorly and their excuse is next time we will give a tough response.

Didn't they claim there will be no Israel after TP3? Last time I checked, Israel is pretty much intact after TP3. It's still there.

 

[Persian Gulf]

If only Iran is willing to tone down their aggressive stance to a diplomatic one, continue to work with international players on nuclear energy, then slowly win Chinese Russian support to remove sanctions, build a good military force to defend themselves. I can't see any other way out for Iran.

this seems to be the approach

signed $25 billion deal with Russia for 4 new nuclear power plants
improving relations with China
less provocative statements in recent months, avoid pissing off Trump more than necessary and strong focus on international law etc

 

[Persian Gulf]

This is getting so boring. Every time they're attacked, they perform poorly and their excuse is next time we will give a tough response.

Didn't they claim there will be no Israel after TP3? Last time I checked, Israel is pretty much intact after TP3. It's still there.

remember after Israel's response to TP2 Hajizadeh said we are keeping TP3 in reserve because we don't want to waste the opportunity

that didn't age well. Iran and its allies think they have a lot of time to do what they want while in reality their enemies are consistently a few steps ahead and quicker.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran has no choice but to submit, the whole western world is after them and the zionist and Muslim zionists have a sword on Iranian neck. Iranian leadership must be realising all those big anti Usa and Zionist statements are finally hurting them, the economy is in shambles, airforce non existence, navy non existence, missile force is decent but failed to protect Iran during 12 days war and another war is around the corner. Iran as someone suggested is buying time but the western world also knows this, slowly they are tightening the noose.

The positive for Iran is China Russia have used some diplomatic pressure to defend Iran, Pakistan for some reason was being aggressive, so they have some support in this part of the world and have those who don't want Iran to be destroyed, the economic interests are another advantage. If only Iran is willing to tone down their aggressive stance to a diplomatic one, continue to work with international players on nuclear energy, then slowly win Chinese Russian support to remove sanctions, build a good military force to defend themselves. I can't see any other way out for Iran.

I don't entirely disagree with your comment that Iran stands no chance of winning this without nuclear deterrence, but there is no diplomatic solution to this problem.

It is either unconditional surrender and defeat, or resistance and madman policy.

If it were up to me, I would've chosen the madman policy until the West decides to reach a new deal. Iran has the best card against the West due to its location, but the Ayatollahs are too stupid to take advantage of it.

 

[BigMela2onin]

no it isn't

Then where are these 6 tankers going and for what purpose? The last attach was prelude by mass movements of tankers like this.

 

[tsunset]

Iran to join the Abraham Accords: Trump

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[Shafagh]

I don't entirely disagree with your comment that Iran stands no chance of winning this without nuclear deterrence, but there is no diplomatic solution to this problem.

It is either unconditional surrender and defeat, or resistance and madman policy.

If it were up to me, I would've chosen the madman policy until the West decides to reach a new deal. Iran has the best card against the West due to its location, but the Ayatollahs are too stupid to take advantage of it.

If Iran gets out of this without being invaded nor torn apart by ethnic separatists, then it's a win. The nation that stood intact against zog and they could never invade nor break it up. Even if we end up signing peace with Israel. I don't like it, but we would go down in history as the only country to smack them around harshly and live.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

With new BRICs currency in works any talk of sanction is useless , because BRICs will do financial transaction outside the scope of Old Financial model

- India already closed deal for $111 Million Dollars of oil with Iran
- Russia/China will continue to benefit from Oil from Iran


Mig 29 Aquired by Iran
Reading Iran has started to receive Mig29 from Russia
The batch planes are in addition to Sukhoi-35 , the count was not disclosed

SUKHOI-35 will arrive soon

Iran receives Russian MiG-29 jets, expects more advanced systems, lawmaker says

Russian MiG-29 fighter jets have arrived in Iran as part of a short-term plan to bolster its air force, with more advanced Sukhoi Su-35 aircraft to follow gradually, an Iranian lawmaker said on Tuesday.

www.iranintl.com

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran gets out of this without being invaded nor torn apart by ethnic separatists, then it's a win. The nation that stood intact against zog and they could never invade nor break it up. Even if we end up signing peace with Israel. I don't like it, but we would go down in history as the only country to smack them around harshly and live.

Not necessarily. It might delay the inevitable at the cost of so many lives.
We need some sort of deterrence to keep things together. I don't think the West would give Iran an easy way out.

 

[Immortals]

Iran to join the Abraham Accords: Trump

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It’s actually the only way Iran will ever be integrated into Western world.

This isn’t about nuclear weapons, missiles, etc. because Saudi Arabia and Turkey have both nuclear production (and Saudi Arabia is asking for enrichment on its soil) and longer and longer missile development programs.

This is about Iran not recognizing Israel.

Iran’s foreign policy was not shrewd or covert at the onset of Revolution. Israel actually sold Iran arms during the Iran-Iraq war and so did the U.S. but Iran was vehement against any sort of detente with either party let alone economic prosperity.

If Iran never took US embassy hostages and never explicitly was hostile toward Israel, it could have first built up its economy (and military) until it was powerful enough and so integrated into the world economy that cutting it off would be like cutting of your own arm. Then it could set its own foreign policy. But by showing your hand from the onset that you think America is the DEVIL and Israel is apartheid then what did you expect? You don’t think China thinks the same? But at least Chinese have more than two brain cells to know you can’t build your country when you are overtly hostile and you don’t have the upper hand.

Instead, from the onset Iran forced the US to decouple from Iran in 1980 and forced Europe to decouple in early 2000’s. Now you see what that result has brought. No resistance economy, no pivot East, no nothing. Domestic Currency is 100x weaker than 20 years ago.

This is why religious fanatics shouldn’t be involved in geopolitics.

So what Trump says isn’t far fetched. As long as Iran doesn’t accept Israel, it will stay under this sanctions and maybe even future wars. I am not saying recognizing Israel will get Iran free or prosperity, but not recognizing Israel means no deal will ever be made with a Republican president.

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Harfe moft mizane, they will force it after they finish off IR. It will not be voluntary. This is him saying the US goal is now regime change.

If Iran gets out of this without being invaded nor torn apart by ethnic separatists, then it's a win. The nation that stood intact against zog and they could never invade nor break it up. Even if we end up signing peace with Israel. I don't like it, but we would go down in history as the only country to smack them around harshly and live.

Then they will infiltrate your society, impose debt slavery on the populace and internally destroy our culture.

 

[Immortals]

With new BRICs currency in works any talk of sanction is useless , because BRICs will do financial transaction outside the scope of Old Financial model

BRICS countries will fold like a house of cards if U.S. pressures them. China and Russia might be able to weather the wrath of America, but Brazil and India no chance in hell, they are too integrated with the West.

- India already closed deal for $111 Million Dollars of oil with Iran

You think they did that without US knowledge? India already has been asking US for permission.

- Russia/China will continue to benefit from Oil from Iran

Russia doesn’t import Iranian oil. And China imports from many sources. Iran cannot survive on Chinese oil purchases alone.

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran never took US embassy hostages and never explicitly was hostile toward Israel, it could have first built up its economy (and military) until it was powerful enough and so integrated into the world economy that cutting it off would be like cutting of your own arm. Then it could set its own foreign policy. But by showing your hand from the onset that you think America is the DEVIL and Israel is apartheid then what did you expect? You don’t think China thinks the same? But at least Chinese have more than two brain cells to know you can’t build your country when you are overtly hostile and you don’t have the upper hand.

We were there. We had a strong economy and a world-class air force. That's what tempted the Ayatollahs and the lefties to pick a fight with the United States at the time.

That's why it took them 30 years to finally isolate us and plan for our disintegration. It took them 30 years to cut us off from the world economy.

Remember in 2003 when George Bush tried to cut us off from the world economy right away but failed to do that because the Europeans were dependent on us and refused? It took them 5-6 years to reduce their dependence on us and finally they started their plan in 2009.
There used to be a time that Iran was one of the main oil suppliers to some countries in Europe like Italy. 28% of our oil exports were sent to the Europeans at some point in early 2000s.

The reality is that the Ayatollahs overplayed their hand while at the same time took half measures constantly. They took a step forward but as soon as they felt some danger to their own interests, they took a step back. Then they left their revolutionary ideology and fell into the trap of a corrupt, theocratic oligarchy that we are now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

With new BRICs currency in works any talk of sanction is useless , because BRICs will do financial transaction outside the scope of Old Financial model

- India already closed deal for $111 Million Dollars of oil with Iran
- Russia/China will continue to benefit from Oil from Iran


Mig 29 Aquired by Iran
Reading Iran has started to receive Mig29 from Russia any truth behind the claims ?

Iran receives Russian MiG-29 jets, expects more advanced systems, lawmaker says

Russian MiG-29 fighter jets have arrived in Iran as part of a short-term plan to bolster its air force, with more advanced Sukhoi Su-35 aircraft to follow gradually, an Iranian lawmaker said on Tuesday.

www.iranintl.com

Delivery of Mig-29s is logically more feasible as Russia does not need them in Ukraine, it does however need the Sukhois for use in Ukraine. However, Mig29s wont give Iran the range needed to interdict the IDF IAF operating over Iraq.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

On bright side most of the Air defences Iran have , they are all replenished , with additional high range items attained from China

It would have been nice if news indicated how many Mig?

I did see some images of Iran conducting more High Altitude Missile test on social media

Also it seems the original air-force assets most of them are still active, most of the airports all have been repaired after first 48 hours