Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

No, I'm not going to play your strawman argument game.

Nobody blamed Russia for domestic affairs like Hijab, that's a cheap strawman argument.

Hejab row is not domestic issue, when you kill thousands of your own people you will be seen as a stupid crazy cavemen by international community who will then impose sanctions on you, refuse to do business with you. How is that Russia or China or US fault? please explain

Russia passed 4 rounds of UN Security Council sanctions on Iran.

12 other countries also did same. Majority are Christian White Westerners including Russia. I dont see you essaying about them here.

Russia made a deal with Turkey and told Assad to leave Syria, effectively enabling Israel to attack Iran through the Syrian airspace.

Russians looked for Russian interest? why does that surprise you is beyond me. Who literally taught you when you were growing up that your security or life related matters are somehow another persons responsibility?

If Assad was that important for IRI then they should have made sure to keep him, if they lost him then thats IRI's responsibility not Russians. They did what suited them, did IRI do what suited Iran?

Russia has been undermining Iran's national security in the Caucasus. It has asked Iran to settle the issue of our 3 islands with the Emirates diplomatically.

China did same. US, EU have similar positions. Whats your point?

Russia refused to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran.

IRI can go to China for J-10CE or improve relations with EU (France offered 150 MF1 during Khatami) or create at home which they can. Running IRIAF is IRI's (MODAFL in specific) responsibility not Russian, Chinese or American responsibility.

Russia has been accused of selling confidential information to Israel about our air defenses (by authorities in Iran).

Except for few S-300PMU2, Iranian IADS does not use any Russian asset in bulk. Few Jammers, radars are there but majority is SAIRAN developed products so please explain how are Russians leaking information on Khordad batteries or local OTH's or Search assets to Israelis. Are you claiming that Russians are secretly running SAIRAN?

A spy of Russian origin is believed to have installed Stuxnet on our air-gapped local network. A Russian spy was involved in the CIA Green Salt project in 2001 against our nuclear program. The list goes on.

It was a dutch engineer who was later killed. Provide Evidence for Russian involvement. Also meanwhile ....

US imposed crippling sanctions, killed Iranian General
Israel killed 1000 Iranians, generals
EU supported killings of Iranians, sanctions
China supported Sanctions on Iran

Again whats your obsession with Russia only?

For the third time, you can refer to previous posts to read what those shared interests are. I am not going to repeat myself if you cannot read or comprehend basic sentences. It's all there. Go read it again.

I did, you still have no PROVIDED A SINGLE ALIGNMENT between Russia and Iran. I will repeat again, what is shared aligned interests between a Christian White Slav Eurasian Russia and Shia MIddle eastern Turko-IRanic Iran? You can list them.

I know why you have failed third time in a row to provide this "list of alignment" that you were yapping about three posts before because there are none, you are caught up in same IRI peddled crap of IRI+Russia+China dynamic which just does not exist because you assumed Russia was somehow responsible for IRI's defence while world does not work that way. Thats exactly the IRI level thinking that you portray yourself to oppose.

Cut off the crap about I am this, I am that. You're literally a nobody. You're taking yourself too seriously.

Everybody is a nobody on a forum but fact remains that my information on Iranian history, military, genetics dwarves all others, otherwise you wont be tagging me for dealing with azeri member who was falsely claiming Iranian genetics to be different from Azeris. Your self loathing ("Iran is a nobody") or extreme obsession with Russia is not my problem. We are all raised differently so you can be whatever you like to be but I am not a self hater thanks to my responsible late parents. Even if Iran becomes another Somalia, I will still call it my nation, you can keep shouting at clouds about Russia, it wont change my position.

Nobody claimed that Russia was responsible for Iran's defense. These comments make you look stupid and desperate, claiming things that were not even discussed or claimed in the first place.

If Russia is not responsible for Irans security, does not share border with Iran, does not have an ounce of genetics, religious, economic similarity to Iranians than why are you typing essay after essay on "Grand Russian betrayal towards Iran" ?

I don't know who you are talking to and calling a whore, but we are not discussing you here.

I am not the one complaining about Russia or US or Jews here, while not seeing my own weakness, you are doing that. That's whore behavior who refuses to see she is a ho while complaining who beat her up. You are replicating that behavior. If you want Iran to improve as a nation, point out IRIs weakness or problems instead of blaming outsiders like a broken record. Not even one ethnicity or group on this military forum does that except Iranians.

As for Russia, Russia has been interfering in Iran for two centuries since the time of Qajar. Just like what they were doing in Ukraine until the Ukrainians were fed up with them and decided to show them the middle finger in 2009. You cannot claim to be a master of Iranian history and then do not know the negative role that Russia has played in Iran's internal politics.

Its actually 10 centuries since Kevan Rus invasion of NW Iran. You are obviously unaware of that lol. Their invasion changed genetics of Kassi Iranic groups more than my Turkic ancestors did. Russia did what it did but since 1991 its role in IRI's matters is mild diplomatic exploitation. Its not imposing crippling sanctions by itself, not attacking Iranian civilians, military or occupying chunks of Iran. Other have done that.

As for Iran, I do not need to shout at all. I believe Iran is on the path of war and destruction and whatever remains of Iran will eventually join the US sphere of influence one way or another. Russia will again lose another country in his sphere of influence. This is all happening as we speak and I can't care less about it.

Russia has ZERO influence of IRI and vice versa. IRI's problems are self induced and inner weakness not Russian problems.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Iran is a major power in Asia and the Middle East, it is the Ayatollah regime that doesn't know how to rule over the country and has picked the entire West and Zionism as our enemies to our detriment.

What does it mean to to be a major power in your opinion? Iran has minimal influence over its neighbors and can't even get Iraq to pay for the electricity we export to them, it's economy is among the worst in the world, with massive corruption, massive brain drain, and with multiple anti-Iran terrorist groups operating on its soil. What other major power is like this?

Iran should stay aside, let the world move forward on its natural course as we are too insignificant to cause changes, and live in the moment instead of trying to be a revolutionary, outlier state.

To me it seems antithetical to call Iran a major power and too insignificant to cause changes.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

can you show us one photo of a downed fighter jet in Iran

A high rank in Army said Iran shot down three F-35

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[Persian Gulf]

A high rank in Army said Iran shot down three F-35

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once again that photo is not from Iran

during the war the army claimed it shot down 3 F-35s and captured one (female) Israeli pilot. but obviously this was incorrect as they never showed the pilot, stopped claiming this, and did not show any wreckage of jets

 

[ToddE]

once again that photo is not from Iran

during the war the army claimed it shot down 3 F-35s and captured one (female) Israeli pilot. but obviously this was incorrect as they never showed the pilot, stopped claiming this, and did not show any wreckage of jets

I could not believe my eyes that Press TV went on with that BS without verifying with officials.

Btw Funniest Reverse Uno IRIAF can pull on IAF will be to claim IAF failed to shoot single IRIAF fighter in air. lol

 

[Persian Gulf]

I could not believe my eyes that Press TV went on with that BS without verifying with officials.

Btw Funniest Reverse Uno IRIAF can pull on IAF will be to claim IAF failed to shoot single IRIAF fighter in air. lol

I wasn't surprised, even recently Press TV made an entire article about an imaginary Khorramshahr-5 missile that some random person on twitter made up

 

[kastor ville]

I'm posting this not to pick sides in the Russia argument....although I believe Russians are actively engaged in double dealings....
But I think you're both right, Russia is an unreliable ally, probably of the worst kind, and we had leadership failures that not only didn't address this, or see this, but they inadvertently helped them in their task.

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[kastor ville]

Explain the following:

IRI is running at 1/10th of projected GDP because of sanctions that came after Ahmadinejad opened his mouth against Israel, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI killed thousands of its citizens over Hejab, over political disagreements, over fraudulent elections, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI decided to irrationally take on global Anglo-American Zios/Jews without creating means to fight them, How is that Russia's fault?

IRI made 54% of STEM grads run away from Iran due to socio-economic collapse, how is that Russia's fault?

US+EU killed killed soleimani, imposed crippling sanctions, bombed nuclear sites, how is that Russia's fault?

Israel killed 1000 Iranians, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI gave 500+ billion USD to Arab Militias, how is that Russia's fault?

Explain all of these and we will discuss more?



For the third time I am asking you what are those aligned interests? What interests are aligned between a Christian White Slav Eurasian nation and a Shia Islamic Turko-Iranic Middle Eastern Nation that do not even share borders between eachother?



Not my fault if your parents raised to loathe your own self. I am raised differently.



I am more anti IRI than you can imagine + I know Iranian history, genetics, military details more than all this forum combined so spare me the lecture on Iranians. I am the first person and last on this forum to have pointed out that Intra-semite conflict between Zio Israel and Sunni Arabs has nothing to do with Shia Iran. Been saying that for last 2 decades on Iranian military forums. Similarly Russo-European shit fest has nothing to do with Iran. To me Russia = US = EU = PGCC = China because there are no friends and enemies in International Relations. Some Iranians have become so weak minded and self hating that they automatically assume that because Ayatollah shouts at west all the time so Russia and China are automatically Iranian partners/defenders by default. Thats now how the world works. IRI is responsible for defence of Iran, Russia is not.



Keep on shouting at clouds but they won't care. IRI's effeminate culture has created a crop of Iranians who would 24/7 bark at other nations be it US, Russia, EU, Jews, Arabs instead of seeing problem at home. Revolution happened because of problems in Iranian society, Iranian GDP shrinked because Ayatollahs induced sanctions upon Iran by meaningless rhetoric against Israel, Iranian military deterence got shot down to shit because Ayatollahs wasted 500+ billion on useless arab militias. China, Russia are not responsible for Iranian downfall, Iranians are responsible for Iranian downfall. Do not be the whore, complaining to me which of your clients/pimps beat you hardest, I am telling you to not be the whore at first place so nobody beats you up.

You're right, it's not Russia's fault.......let's say who's fault it is. The old man bears responsibility for this gigantic policy failure. No one else!

 

[OldTwilight]

Look like USA attacked Oil Tanker which carried Iran fossile energy ... and some guys are bashing at Russia and China , they are acting like reformists solders ...

we should have nukes .

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[Persian Gulf]

Look like USA attacked Oil Tanker which carried Iran fossile energy ... and some guys are bashing at Russia and China , they are acting like reformists solders ...

we should have nukes .

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I was about to post about this

it happened south of Yemen and Houthis said it wasn't them

Trump yesterday hinted that lots of covert activity was happening behind the scenes (he was asked about Venezuela, but the same probably applies to Iran)

 

[OldTwilight]

I was about to post about this

it happened south of Yemen and Houthis said it wasn't them

Trump yesterday hinted that lots of covert activity was happening behind the scenes (he was asked about Venezuela, but the same probably applies to Iran)

we are going to lose 3500 years old country because some 90 years old guy want to prove he is saint and wont change his holy order ( fatwa ). The sad thing that people who don't believe him and mock him left and right , are supporting him on his useless fatwa ...

 

[BigMela2onin]

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US called another IR bluff, now what will IR do? If you go by its track record, nothing.

 

[Immortals]

Look like USA attacked Oil Tanker which carried Iran fossile energy ... and some guys are bashing at Russia and China , they are acting like reformists solders ...

we should have nukes .

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And what were you going to do differently in this scenario if you had nukes? Were you gonna nuke Tel Aviv in response? America?

Nukes are useless unless it’s a Berlin 1945 moment. If the enemy knows you won’t use nukes until last resort then they can push all your buttons.

Russia has THOUSANDS of nukes. Has it stopped Turkey from supplying drones that kill Russian soldiers? Has it stopped the U.S. from supplying missiles and drones that hit Russia territories? Has it stopped NATO from supplying tens of billions of dollars to kill Russian soldiers and inflict damage on Russia soil? Has it stopped the West from pressuring countries to stop buying Russian oil? Have nukes helped North Korea escape sanctions, poverty, and normalization with the world?

If nukes haven’t helped deter the west in Ukraine for Russia and hasn’t helped North Korea turn its economic fortunes around, what makes you think it will help this incompetent led Iran change its fortunes?

Until the day Iran normalizes relations with Israel it will be under threat, under sanctions, and suffering. No amount of nukes or fighter jets or wonder weapons will change that.

It is as simple as that.

 

[OldTwilight]

And what were you going to do differently in this scenario if you had nukes? Were you gonna nuke Tel Aviv in response? America?

Nukes are useless unless it’s a Berlin 1945 moment. If the enemy knows you won’t use nukes until last resort then they can push all your buttons.

Russia has THOUSANDS of nukes. Has it stopped Turkey from supplying drones that kill Russian soldiers? Has it stopped the U.S. from supplying missiles and drones that hit Russia territories? Has it stopped NATO from supplying tens of billions of dollars to kill Russian soldiers and inflict damage on Russia soil? Has it stopped the West from pressuring countries to stop buying Russian oil? Have nukes helped North Korea escape sanctions, poverty, and normalization with the world?

If nukes haven’t helped deter the west in Ukraine for Russia and hasn’t helped North Korea turn its economic fortunes around, what makes you think it will help this incompetent led Iran change its fortunes?

Until the day Iran normalizes relations with Israel it will be under threat, under sanctions, and suffering. No amount of nukes or fighter jets or wonder weapons will change that.

It is as simple as that.

Another west worshiping agent , the nukes just let you do same reaction without fearing your infrastructure , ports , military base , cities get tactical nukes / strategical nukes in return ...

just look at North Korea , who dare to attack its ships !?

 

[925boy]

so we should be happy we hit Tel Aviv a few times and killed 30 Israelis even though they hit militarily important targets throughout Iran with ease and precision and killed > 1000 Iranians ?


which country gets attacked, gets 30+ senior commanders and nuclear scientists killed in a few hours, >1000 civilians killed, threatens to raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground, then accepts a ceasefire within 12 days? ...ever?

Why are you making arguments for Israel while denying Iran fought Israel with active backing of a few NATO and arab countries ?
Its the same thing with Russia Urkaine war- Russia isn't fighting only Unraine but a coalition of countries.

If Israel fought Iran alone, Iran would've damaged Israel alot more, and even with all the external suooort Israel still agreed to a quick ceasefire...you dont ot seem to be judging Iran's war performance on a "apples to apples and oranges to oranges "basis. Iran didn't perform great, but Iran seems to have damaged Israel enogh that you can hear it and US ache in pain from receiving damage they never expected Israel would take. 2nd of all who told u only 30 Israelis fied? Stop being so naive-if u dont have full facts, cuz Israeli censorship, then be more cautious in assertive statements that are essentially pro Israel.