Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Viet]

Yea , one or two Chinese destroyers will change the balance of power in the region....who are these people writing such crap and who are the morons buying this crap?

Chinese only jump in when war breaks out in Vietnam or Korea.
The possibility the Chinese intervene in foreign wars is almost 0, in the case of Iran it’s below 0. Same like Venezuela, Cuba or Nigeria or dinosaurs lands.
People should be a bit more realistic.

 

[Shags101]

Chinese only jump in when war breaks out in Vietnam or Korea.
The possibility the Chinese intervene in foreign wars is almost 0, in the case of Iran it’s below 0. Same like Venezuela, Cuba or Nigeria.

Truth is china doesn’t need to jump in war if it wants to take a page out of trumps book a show of force is all that’s needed and everyone goes back to living day by day trump isn’t going to risk accidentally hitting a Chinese ship or personal.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Chinese only jump in when war breaks out in Vietnam or Korea.
The possibility the Chinese intervene in foreign wars is almost 0, in the case of Iran it’s below 0. Same like Venezuela, Cuba or Nigeria or dinosaurs lands.
People should be a bit more realistic.

What about Pakistan?

 

[Viet]

What about Pakistan?

The Chinese will likely provide everything you need but they won’t send men to the ground. It comes down to China own survival in the case of Korea and Vietnam.

 

[tsunset]

Houthis didn't need Iranian soldiers in Yemen to push the US back, sink their fighter jets, down hundreds of their drones and land monster kills on Saudi coalition

Iran doesn't need them either, neither Chinese or Russian direct help which we witnessed were ineffective and useless in Syria

 

[Shags101]

Houthis didn't need Iranian soldiers in Yemen to push the US back, sink their fighter jets, down hundreds of their drones and land monster kills on Saudi coalition

Iran doesn't need them either, neither Chinese or Russian direct help which we witnessed were ineffective and useless in Syria

Russia was instrumental with air power against Isis and insurgents in Syria Iranian Hezbollah and Syrian forces would have lost a lot more troops without it shows you how much air power is needed….i don’t think china was actually involved in Syria militarily.

American forces lost those fighters from not securing those fighters in defensive maneuvering give it to the Houthis for scaring the out of them but Houthis have had a lot of success taking out American drones honestly better than Iran did with Israel.

Without Iranian involvement how would have Houthis been able to fight off Saudi Arabia Yemen forces and whatever other coalition came at them it was Iranian weapons and perhaps even training that helped Houthis it was teamwork for sure.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Trump:

Qasem Soleimani was the military leader of Iran.

If he lived, that attack we made on Iran would not have been the same thing. He was a great general.

They don’t have that now.

 

[mangekyo]

Russia was instrumental with air power against Isis and insurgents in Syria Iranian Hezbollah and Syrian forces would have lost a lot more troops without it shows you how much air power is needed….i don’t think china was actually involved in Syria militarily.

American forces lost those fighters from not securing those fighters in defensive maneuvering give it to the Houthis for scaring the out of them but Houthis have had a lot of success taking out American drones honestly better than Iran did with Israel.

Without Iranian involvement how would have Houthis been able to fight off Saudi Arabia Yemen forces and whatever other coalition came at them it was Iranian weapons and perhaps even training that helped Houthis it was teamwork for sure.

You’re contradicting yourself a little bit. UAE/Saudi coalition had a modern fleet. Yemen didn’t have a single jet, but still managed to beat the shit out of the coalition

 

[CrniLabud]

Imagine how thrilling it'd be when war breaks out and Tomahawk missiles fired towards Iranian targets are shot down by Chinese SAMs from that destroyer.

If China doesn't want Iran to close Hormuz then it has to defend Iran. If Iran is left to get destroyed alone by US/IDF, then it is fair game for Iran to take out everyone else down with it. So if China doesn't want to defend, then they can't complain if Iran wants to close Hormuz, since Iran has the right to get back at Gulf countries who host US bases. Closing Hormuz is fair game if IRI is forced to fight USA and IDF/GCC all alone...

All of this is tied to China. First the US interfered in Panama, then Venezuela, all of China’s energy and shipping routes, now is Iran, goal is to take over energy sources from China and make them play by US rules. Next will be Russia via a US-Russia reapproachment which may nit eliminate all energy from Russia to China, but will be partially influenced by US as leverage. China should take a stand and protect its energy sources and its part of the world.

 

[tsunset]

Russia was instrumental with air power against Isis and insurgents in Syria Iranian Hezbollah and Syrian forces would have lost a lot more troops without it shows you how much air power is needed….i don’t think china was actually involved in Syria militarily.

American forces lost those fighters from not securing those fighters in defensive maneuvering give it to the Houthis for scaring the out of them but Houthis have had a lot of success taking out American drones honestly better than Iran did with Israel.

Without Iranian involvement how would have Houthis been able to fight off Saudi Arabia Yemen forces and whatever other coalition came at them it was Iranian weapons and perhaps even training that helped Houthis it was teamwork for sure.

Yes they bombed ISIS but what happened at the end?

Houthis landed monster kills on UAE and Saudi Arabia without any Iranian help, this was in 2014-15-16 when Iran wasn't yet involved with missile transfers, they actually scored those massive kills with Tochka BM, not Iranian ones, and scored more than 500+ kills in only 3 strikes

2015 Marib attack - Wikipedia

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2015 Taiz attack - Wikipedia

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2016 Al Anad Air Base missile attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shags101]

You’re contradicting yourself a little bit. UAE/Saudi coalition had a modern fleet. Yemen didn’t have a single jet, but still managed to beat the shit out of the coalition

Not really Saudis at the time were just flying fancy planes with no real war experience they were leading a war instead of just tagging along like they have been in American pushed wars.

I have never said Houthis fighting in their home turf didn’t put a beating to anyone who stepped foot on their areas honestly give it up to them they fought more courageously than any army.

 

[Shags101]

Yes they bombed ISIS but what happened at the end?

Houthis landed monster kills on UAE and Saudi Arabia without any Iranian help, this was in 2014-15-16 when Iran wasn't yet involved with missile transfers, they actually scored those massive kills with Tochka BM, not Iranian ones, and scored more than 500+ kills in only 3 strikes

2015 Marib attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2015 Taiz attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2016 Al Anad Air Base missile attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

True to an extent but they were helping them before that time financially and militarily only the sophistication of their help increased 2013 and after.

Like I said Houthis are a beast they’re still standing after going up GCC military. American allied militaries and Israelis military and they never blinked I will give them more respect than anyone else to be fair.

Forgot to add Russia be Russia under Putin allies can be replaced easily until there are no more allies and Russia is last country standing I haven’t trusted Putin in years

 

[ToddE]

I believe that is the terms China has set. FIC is going to invest heavily in the M.E and they need stability for that. This means all proxies have to go. But I am not optimistic of what Larijani-Irans role will be in the new world order. I believe PGCC will reap the greatest benefits through their wealth funds, Turkey second. The losers will be Israel who is getting asset stripped by UAE, and Iran who is effectively becoming a Chinese vassal state through economic dependence

Vassal states are under massive debts so their strategic state level goals are set by creditors. IRI is trading partner, thats kinda notorious for switching sides.

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lapid-after-security-update-with-netanyahu-israel-is-united-against-iran/

Unless these talks prove to be real I’m fairly sure they will strike almost right after the talks are finished maybe even before they are finished.

Honestly I’d rather not see a war occur biggest loser will be Iran even if they win or this conflict comes to a draw Irans economy will go into a bigger free fall than before with massive damage to it’s country

 

[Immortals]

Trump:

Qasem Soleimani was the military leader of Iran.

If he lived, that attack we made on Iran would not have been the same thing. He was a great general.

They don’t have that now.

Again Trump loves “strong men”. He doesn’t respect anyone in Iran right now. That affects his warped way of thinking.