Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Taimoor]

That defence pact doesn't apply unless Iran launch a full fledge war on SA.With irani troops on saudi soil. Forget about nuclear option yet lol

That's what me and you would hope for , but the information in public that is available, suggest everything is on the table, including nukes. I mean Saudi are openly talking about it right?

 

[Flotilla]

This is an oft repeated bogeyman. Pakistan has never expressed hostility towards Israel as far as I know. I know they don't have friendly relations. If anything, Pakistan is highly skilled in operating in a forest of adversaries. Even now, they are skillfully balancing U.S., China and Arab interests as all are vital for their economic needs. In that sense, they are polar opposite of Iran's politics over last four decades.

When the war ends, my guess is, Pakistan will carefully study how Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries will interact with Israel and tailor its foreign policy towards Israel accordingly. Realpolitik is the word.

But not viceversa.

And again. If Israel supports BLA, then indirectly is expressing hostility to Pakistán, not to mention their plans ten years before to struck paquistani nuclear program.

Finally. Stop gambling. This works because all those Regimes are not democracies. Just make a poll in their countries if they support the Israel recognition.

The day US cannot pay for Israel's weaponry and secure the muslim golden armchairs, the game will be over for Israel and US in all the region.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

But that is exactly what Iran itself has been trying to do as well, to tilt things in its own favor. It has already resulted in the fall of its proxies, leading to its isolation in the Gulf region.

What is happening now is the showdown that was inevitable considering that Iran continued its policies for decades, without any change in its single minded pursuit of defeating its primary adversary, at great cost to its own economy.

Huh... in a parallel reality it is!
Iraq didn't become a thing till US removed Saddam and opened the door for Shi'i... Hezbollah was formed in response to 1982 zionist invasion. While Syria came close to Iran to balance Iraq and zion after 1979 revolution. Aided both Iran in Iran-Iraq war and later US in 1991 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

So, Iran only found allies because of primarily owing to its gravity in the region... both as a balance against regional order and international rivals politically... home of the Shi'i religiously.

 

[KingQamaR]

lol

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

What ? Makes no sense

Meaning as things go south they have no option but to resort to false flags.
They've a history.

 

[hasn2009]

Iran must stop playing into a strategic trap by destabilizing the Gulf, torching regional oil fields only serves to isolate Tehran while leaving its primary adversary laughing in the corner. To truly shift the scales, the focus must be shifted directly to Israel’s domestic jugular, its power grids and desalination plants. By destroying those and disrupting Israeli daily life, Iran moves the front line from the neighbors' backyard to the enemy’s doorstep. Striking the heart of Israel’s energy and water security ensures the "cost of war" is no longer an externalized regional mess, but an internal, existential crisis that Israel can no longer ignore.

Right, Iran should do that. And what do you suggest GCC do? Keep letting Israel/US use their land and airspace to attack Iran?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Araghchi on a diplomatic offensive towards the American people

Keyword here "war of choice"
And trillions sunk for the parasite over its entire existence.

 

[PakAl]

In order to show the pattern of behavior of GCC monarchs, I mentioned Yemen and Palestinains as well as a context, I didnt mean to drag the Indian name. it only inflates the ego of BJP bakhts.

the criticsm was on the GCC countries how they conduct themselves they make deals and are partners with Indians and Israelis, celebrate a former Daesh terrorist as a Syrian leader and them Rhym with Israel and America to criticse Iranians.

their royal families are safe and most of their population is South Asian workers so if people die then it will be these unnamed South Asian workers. I guess they are willing to sacrifice dollars and South Asian lives for the hatred of Iran they share with Israel.

It's because their overall policy aligns with the western led world order, the new Syrian leader is their man in power, and anywhere else where they have no influence they will remove the leader through elections or by sword. The GCC family rulers came the same way after defeating the Ottomans in alliance with the allies. Relations with india will improve further since west is cosing up towards India. Pakistan is not on the same level yet.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Iran must stop playing into a strategic trap by destabilizing the Gulf, torching regional oil fields only serves to isolate Tehran while leaving its primary adversary laughing in the corner. To truly shift the scales, the focus must be shifted directly to Israel’s domestic jugular, its power grids and desalination plants. By destroying those and disrupting Israeli daily life, Iran moves the front line from the neighbors' backyard to the enemy’s doorstep. Striking the heart of Israel’s energy and water security ensures the "cost of war" is no longer an externalized regional mess, but an internal, existential crisis that Israel can no longer ignore.

Iran should take the fight to the enemy's energy and desalination plants and not target its Muslim neighbors who are not participant in the conflict. And let us get one fact straight: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Oman are not in the conflict on Israel's side.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Araghchi on a diplomatic offensive towards the American people

I do wonder when they will take out Araghchi. Only a matter of time unfortunately.

 

[Aggregate]

That would mean risking US attacks on Pakistan. What can Pakistan achieve from it all, especially for Iran, other than to invite the wrath of US?

The "Wrath" will reach Pakistan anyway. Only that it will be far worse then, compared to what it might be now. Its just that none of us want to acknowledge the obvious that is staring us in the face.

Reminds me of the time when Hezbollah were getting decimated and they kept asking Iran for help. Unfortunately, at that time Iran was too concerned about getting dragged into the war. Now it has reached Iran, regardless.

Right now Iran has the capacity to push the zionists back. Yes, US might retaliate a little, but not much, as things are already out of control for them. But if Iran falls, then things will be far worse for Pakistan anyway.

All of us want to live in peace but the zionists are everything that is not peace. Yes its difficult, yes it can have bad consequences, yes, the idea of not joining in seems convenient. But we are all knowingly trading temporary peace for permanent disaster. I hope the decision makes in Pakistan have this in mind and are at least doing whatever is possible behind the scenes to support Iran.

 

[Yasser76]

Realistically what Can Saudi do against Iran then US and Israel are not already doing?

 

[Flotilla]

Iran must stop playing into a strategic trap by destabilizing the Gulf, torching regional oil fields only serves to isolate Tehran while leaving its primary adversary laughing in the corner. To truly shift the scales, the focus must be shifted directly to Israel’s domestic jugular, its power grids and desalination plants. By destroying those and disrupting Israeli daily life, Iran moves the front line from the neighbors' backyard to the enemy’s doorstep. Striking the heart of Israel’s energy and water security ensures the "cost of war" is no longer an externalized regional mess, but an internal, existential crisis that Israel can no longer ignore.

That would be ideal. But doesn´t work.

Politically; The real chance about finalizing the war it is skyrocketing the oil barrel and use the inflation as a weapon to target Trump. Remember US President attacked twice during dealing with Irán by the back. So the real target should be his impeachment.

Tactically; Irán cannot deplete their MRBM stock exclusively over Israel. There are a lot of SRBM and Cruise missile that are inmediately available to target those refineries and deposits. So if Irán just use their medium range ballistic missiles against Israel, they could deplete their stock and not fulfilling the political real target, which is taking out Trump.

 

[Flotilla]

Realistically what Can Saudi do against Iran then US and Israel are not already doing?

To bomb craters.
And even worse. They will be fought back by Houthies.
So two fronts.
Breed crowes...

 

[Himalayan]

Such meetings are to be taken as seriously as Monty Python's Flying Circus.

This meeting is a masterclass in reinventing the wheel—while simultaneously managing to make it slightly less round. A true waste of our time