Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[kobra]

 

[Immortals]

POLAND HAS SURRENDERED

 

[Immortals]

Bro heard I was talking about him and responded immediately

@tsunset
@Persian Gulf

 

[Khanviletey]

that isn't what I said. I said, and I repeat that the video is fake and I didn't ever say an F-35 wasn't hit. You clutch on to that straw, hitting that F-35 remains the only bright spot in a rather gloomy future for Iran. That too after the US has been flying over your head non-stop since late February. We have 600 more F-35's and thousands of other assets a single damaged F-35 is hardly going to change the outcome.

I agree, it only means they will
Need to fly higher. They don’t have complete aerial superiority. The fighter was allegedly taken down by mobile IR weapons system meaning , the lower level stike capability is not open to drones or low flying aircraft.

Strategically this results in
- Higher cost of operations as planes have to fly high with full weapons load meaning, aerial refueling and complicated logistics.
- Lower tempo as they need to operate with maned aircraft or HALE drone assets
- they can’t bring in larger bombers as the airspace is not open and it highly probable that Iran is still hiding some s-300 mpu systems

 

[Immortals]

 

[PakistanLVR]

I was listening to the War Nerd podcast the other day and they had on Sunni Bahraini--Canadian guest speaker. He made a few points about Bahrain's role in all of this.

• The ruling party has fast-tracked citizenship of Egyptians, Jordanians, Yemenis, and Pakistan (Sunnis) to help suppress the Shia majority.
• There is a racial hierarchy in Bahrain where Pakistanis are on the lower end of the pole in the security forces. The top jobs are for the other Arabs
• Manana has this street full of bars (typical where Westerners like to go and relax ie Bangkok, Okinawa, Seoul etc) which is full of South-Asian S*x workers, and underage Bahraini girls (ages 13-16) go and befriend American military members ages 23-25 and start physical relationships. The parents of these girls are embarrassed and ashamed, and out of shame do not bring this up, even if they did, the service-member will moved out of the country.
• Bahrain arrested one of their citizen for criticizing Israel at a conference in Beirut and on his return to Bahrain arrested him for insulting an ally.
• Bahrain is very close to Israel like UAE. Both are the top countries in the gulf fully entrenched in the "Abraham Accords."
• Ruling party is heavily depended on the bridge that connects to Saudi Arabia for all its needs now since the SoH is shut down. The Highway is their lifeline.

@r3alist @Master Chief @hussain0216 @Watandar @PAKISTANFOREVER @Taimoor

 

[Immortals]

 

[onlinpunit]

Iran will face an even worse fate than a potential carpet bombing like Dresden should it surrender. And to prevent that, Iran should really mobilize its large population, its allies in Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon and elsewhere to take the war to the borders of Israel as it had existed by late 2024.
A war of attrition may or may not be viable of Iran. Those who attacked it have factored in short-medium term casualties and economic losses for long term gains except they have probably missed the human elements like the unpredictable large populations spread in the region.

Without any type of Air Support or Air defence a large scale mobilization of ground forces will lead to nothing but slaughter. A war of attrition and blockage is the most viable option for Iran.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If you look at how reacted to the attack on its gas infrastructure, then how does trump think that Iran will react to the loss of Kharg Island ?!?!?!?!?

Trump is trying to escalate to de-escalate, but it is now finding that Iran is multiplying the escalation ladder in response.

Iran may well take out all the refineries and ports of the GCC if it loses access to its refineries and ports, Iran has shown it is prepared to escalate that far.

 

[Immortals]

I agree, it only means they will
Need to fly higher. They don’t have complete aerial superiority. The fighter was allegedly taken down by mobile IR weapons system meaning , the lower level stike capability is not open to drones or low flying aircraft.

Strategically this results in
- Higher cost of operations as planes have to fly high with full weapons load meaning, aerial refueling and complicated logistics.
- Lower tempo as they need to operate with maned aircraft or HALE drone assets
- they can’t bring in larger bombers as the airspace is not open and it highly probable that Iran is still hiding some s-300 mpu systems

Your whole analysis is a bit doomed from the start.

You can’t “fly higher” when you are expending your most valuable stand off munitions that have long production times.

Within a week or two you will have to resort more and more to normal bombs and JDAMs, which will require fighter jets to get closer and lower (relative to standoff not lower like hugging the ground).

If the shields of Israel and Saudi Arabia also crack in next 1-2 weeks then the campaign to hit aerial tankers on the ground will go high intensity which will impact sortie rates as all these fighter jets require mid air fueling, as carrying external fuel tanks gives marginal range increase at expense of higher RCS for ambush attacks by hidden AD teams.

 

[Persian Gulf]

2 missiles launched

I lost track, but think we are up to at least 13 since midnight

 

[Taimoor]

I was listening to the War Nerd podcast the other day and they had on Sunni Bahraini--Canadian guest speaker. He made a few points about Bahrain's role in all of this.

• The ruling party has fast-tracked citizenship of Egyptians, Jordanians, Yemenis, and Pakistan (Sunnis) to help suppress the Shia majority.
• There is a racial hierarchy in Bahrain where Pakistanis are on the lower end of the pole in the security forces. The top jobs are for the other Arabs
• Manana has this street full of bars (typical where Westerners like to go and relax ie Bangkok, Okinawa, Seoul etc) which is full of South-Asian S*x workers, and underage Bahraini girls (ages 13-16) go and befriend American military members ages 23-25 and start physical relationships. The parents of these girls are embarrassed and ashamed, and out of shame do not bring this up, even if they did, the service-member will moved out of the country.
• Bahrain arrested one of their citizen for criticizing Israel at a conference in Beirut and on his return to Bahrain arrested him for insulting an ally.
• Bahrain is very close to Israel like UAE. Both are the top countries in the gulf fully entrenched in the "Abraham Accords."
• Ruling party is heavily depended on the bridge that connects to Saudi Arabia for all its needs now since the SoH is shut down. The Highway is their lifeline.

@r3alist @Master Chief @hussain0216 @Watandar @PAKISTANFOREVER @Taimoor

I don't know how many here remember, there was citizens uprising against the Bahraini ruling family some years ago. Unfortunately, Pakistani hired guns were used to crush that uprising, arranged by you know who...

I am pretty sure, even now, same force at lower levels which goes on street to dispatch violence against the locals, will be from Pakistan.

We in Pakistan needs to be very very careful here.

 

[Immortals]

Without any type of Air Support or Air defence a large scale mobilization of ground forces will lead to nothing but slaughter. A war of attrition and blockage is the most viable option for Iran.

The new age of warfare (see Ukraine-Russia) isn’t “large scale” armies like you saw in 1990 or 2003. It’s small mobile platoons or squads throughout the “front line”.

And if the U.S. is doing a shore landing (the most viable land operation IMO) with the goal of a clear and hold operation to build a buffer around the strait of Hormuz, the terrain does not favor the attacker against such teams.

 

[Immortals]