Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Abdul q]

It’s included Pakistan as Iran in this map… disrespectful

 

[Aggregate]

Pakistan users here who support the proposed deal only because it came out of the mouth of the Pakistan’s PM.

If Modi of India had delivered such a proposal they would be screaming how bad such a deal is and that India and Israel will stab you in the back.

No I really would not say that.

I remember Gaza, I remember 10 million dead in Ukraine, I remember Syria, Iraq, all else and I would any day support for this to stop right here. Continuation of this war will not give anything to anyone from here onwards. From tomorrow this will turn into an ugly war of attrition for no gain for each side.

Iran can leave at a position of power and then diplomatic options can be chosen. There will be no way back tomorrow if this gets out of hand.

The fact that Iran is considering this proposal, says it all, those people who are responsible for millions of lives would know the stakes involved here.

 

[Kharral]

Pakistan PM proposal is the dumbest proposal I have ever heard.

“Please Iran give away your leverage for 2 weeks so U.S. and Israel can devise new ways to bomb you further”.

The strait is the only reason the U.S. is negotiating with Iran. Why would Iran open it to give Trump a victory just so he can ask for surrender in two weeks?

Is this how Pakistan negotiates?

Please remember it is “Shehbaz Sharif” who’s saying this. Different figures are assigned different tones. This is the role & tone defined for Mr Shehbaz Shareef & he’s fulfilling his job perfectly.

 

[Starlord]

Any news

Will there be cess fire or war will go on?

We will know in few hours, I am sure lots of phones are ringing and lots of leaders both political and military are holding on to their nerves.

 

[Tabmachine]

US Media is going full maximum retard to manufacture consent

 

[Master Chief]

Pakistan users here who support the proposed deal only because it came out of the mouth of the Pakistan’s PM.

If Modi of India had delivered such a proposal they would be screaming how bad such a deal is and that India and Israel will stab you in the back.

A disingenuous analogy, to say the least.

Please reconsider in the context of geopolitical interests of the two nations that you are comparing.

India actually does not care one smidge for Iran and would like nothing more than to see Islam finished in Iran and a hostile nation state emerge on Pakistan's western flank.

Pakistan (a) is concerned for Iranian lives, and (b) does NOT want a hostile "atheist" Pahlavist state or even a mishmash of states emerging on our western flank.

You can even ignore the "cares or doesn't care for the Iranian people angle" if you wish and simply acknowledge the cold hard geopolitical realities - Pakistan derives net benefit from the current government in Iran, while India will derive net benefit from pro-Israel lunatics.

 

[koolio]

 

[Immortals]

Pakistani users need to read this and maybe have come to a realization.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan users here who support the proposed deal only because it came out of the mouth of the Pakistan’s PM.

If Modi of India had delivered such a proposal they would be screaming how bad such a deal is and that India and Israel will stab you in the back.

Who said anything about supporting the deal that you perceive allows America to regroup, what the heck does America need to regroup for?

it is just a terms of reference to open up discussions when you have a hyper power threatening destruction

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

Reason they want ceasefire is that the the Zionist airforce is getting worn out after 5-6 weeks of long missions to Iran and back.

Iran is getting some very good hits on the Zionist entity now and depletion of ABMs is why they are begging for ceasefire. They think any frozen conflict now would be a win for Zio-US and Iran will find it very hard to resume the war and it may extend further.

1. The question here is how long is Iran willing to fight without any political or diplomatic victory..the sound of fighting for 10 years sound nice but at what cost and "do you want too" or "if you have too" are very different statements.
2. That's true that Iran closing Strait is causing problems at the moment but sooner or later even Europe will start to align itself fully which they are not currently because of public pressure. You can't keep world hostage for the sake of one country.
3. Even if you play the entire war game you will understand Iran might have advantage for 6 months however EOD US will start to out produce the demand for all theatre's, make no mistake about it.
4. Iran can close down Strait anytime they want too because they don't have to blow up 100 of ships . Just one ship and that would be considered Strait closed... Which can be done anytime...
5. Iran have upper hand morally and world sees Iran as a victim of NETENYAHU and Trump.. If Iran continues to say no to any sort of negotiations, it will be seen as arrogance at some point in future and opinion can shift...
6. Two weeks are good enough for Iran as well to restock and re equip and possibly secure a deal with other powers....
7. Once a campaign stops knowing that it didn't go well, it's very hard to kick start that campaign.. Also gives US domestic politics to kick in to weaken Trump. As long it's a state of conflict Trump holds major power... Ceasefire will take that initiative away this time because it did hurt the world a lot economically...
8. Even Republicans can see this war going wrong and midterms are hanging right above the head... Some of these war mongors/Epstein infected members of the house need to win the midterm to stay out jail... Epstein hammer will strike sooner or later....

 

[UKBengali]

The fact that Zionist entity is now attacking civilian infrastructure and Trump is making diabolical threats is simply due to the fact that Zio-US is facing severe losses.

Iran needs to hold its nerves and focus solely on attacking Zionist critical infrastructure in Palestine.

Forget the cluster bomb attacks on Tel-Aviv as they are a distraction and waste valuable resources.

Try to land as many 1 ton warhead missiles on Zionist oil refineries, power stations and desalination plants.

Those remaining THAAD(low levels currently) and SM-3s(ample for now) wont last long, and Iran needs to focus on this for as long as it takes to cause catastrophic damage to Zionist infrastructure in Palestine.

 

[mangekyo]

Unless we can develop and test a nuke uninterrupted, I don’t see how a ceasefire could be favorable to us.

 

[Desert]

Israel still exists, that's what I'm talking about.

your lack of knowledge is impressive ...

 

[kobra]

Do you really think we can play dumb here for long?
View attachment 190993

We are getting our supplies smoothly so far...If iranian karj island is gone and within hours GCC oil and gas infra is gone then what can we do, whole of the world is gonna suffer. countries whose economies are much much bigger than us.

US policies regarding Iran is not Pakistani centric but Israil centric..Iran never was and never is a threat to US. But Israil and Islamic Iran can never co exsist. Trump is the most compromised president they have got, remember Natanyahu statement when orange buffon was elected? Israil will not stop until they remove the remain of islamic revolution in iran. islamic iran and israil are like Night and day, like sun and moon..

what can Pakistan do here? Stop Iran by force? well they are already receiving beating 10x we could deliver. yes we can threat Israil with consequences if we really want to play any meaning full role.. Which you and I both know that we cannot deliver even half heartedly due to many reason, neither should do.

 

[maverick]

US Media is going full maximum retard to manufacture consent

fox news is genocidal, thats the mindset they have who is not white, the same mindset which killed natives and blacks, that is terrible.