Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MH.Yang]

Trump makes it sound like we're shipping some kind of military hardware, but it just feels weird to me that we would still send it through a blockaded strait.

Trump makes it sound like we're shipping some kind of military hardware, but it just feels weird to me that we would still send it through a blockaded strait.

Considering the sanctions imposed by the United Nations, if China wants to transport weapons, it will definitely choose air transportation or the China Iran railway instead of the blocked strait. China only uses shipping to deliver civilian materials or oil. Because Trump intercepted ships transporting civilian supplies, China has a legitimate reason to intervene.

 

[ShapurII]

Proxy wars are meant to keep your enemies busy / destabilize. Houthis fighting against GCC. Hezbullah against Israel. These were Iran's strategic objectives to keep using other people for your own long term goals & influence over the region.

So Iran's enemies keep themselves busy against proxies and not hit Iran's mainland. That's what was happening until recently / last year.

If IRan really wanted to fight for Palestine then it could have attacked Israel directly. Don't fund or arm proxies for your strategic goals but fight directly if you are selfless. Iran choose otherwise.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Iran owes Palestine nothing. Zero, zilch, null, sefr. If anything, Palestine owes Iran a lot, not the other way around.

Iran has no reason to attack a nuclear power to get nuked back because again, as I said, we owe Palestinians nothing. Not now, not 10 years ago, not 47 years ago. Our economy is under sanctions because of our anti-Israel stance. Our relations with Europe is sour because of our anti-Israel stance. We cannot restore our ties with the US because of our anti-Israel stance. The moment Iran becomes a pro-Israel state, 90% of our problems will stop.

Houthis on the other hand owe their existence to us. Not only we helped them form a government, but we are keeping them in power. Apples and oranges.

 

[PakFactor]

Proxy wars are meant to keep your enemies busy / destabilize. Houthis fighting against GCC. Hezbullah against Israel. These were Iran's strategic objectives to keep using other people for your own long term goals & influence over the region.

So Iran's enemies keep themselves busy against proxies and not hit Iran's mainland. That's what was happening until recently / last year.

If IRan really wanted to fight for Palestine then it could have attacked Israel directly. Don't fund or arm proxies for your strategic goals but fight directly if you are selfless. Iran choose otherwise.

Dominant nations typically avoid direct conflict unless compelled by necessity, instead relying on smaller states and non-state actors. For instance, Pakistan has engaged in such actions in Afghanistan and Kashmir; therefore, it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran should not have taken similar measures. The United States has carried out similar activities.

 

[SaadH]

This is spot on. I don't think many people realise the hold USA has over the world. As their currency is world's reserve currency, they simply just print more dollars and let the rest of the world pay for it (through inflation). I remember during Covid, they sent out cheques to every citizen in US of something like $1000 dollars each. Every single citizen. Guess what it did? Inflated everything traded in dollars, the peasants around the world paid for it. Its insane.

The inflation wasn't cause by $2000 checks to citizens, the real inflation was caused by $6 trn that the feds injected into the markets and into the pockets of zionist billionaires on the wallstreet when the markets were cratering at the beginning of Covid, and of course corporations shafting the consumers through record profits.

 

[PakFactor]

The inflation wasn't cause by $2000 checks to citizens, the real inflation was caused by $6 trn that the feds injected into the markets and into the pockets of zionist billionaires on the wallstreet when the markets were cratering at the beginning of Covid, and of course corporations shafting the consumers through record profits.

This is why the Chinese would rather sit on the sidelines and allow the U.S. to carry on, unless it gets involved in a proxy conflict and supplies a belligerent, like Russia, in its war with Ukraine. It would rather sacrifice Russia in Europe, and it's a risk it's willing to take. While the West burns away its currency.

 

[Abdul q]

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So finally they’re facing the same kind of pain iran felt for decades….

 

[ShapurII]

The inflation wasn't cause by $2000 checks to citizens, the real inflation was caused by $6 trn that the feds injected into the markets and into the pockets of zionist billionaires on the wallstreet when the markets were cratering at the beginning of Covid, and of course corporations shafting the consumers through record profits.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but $3200 per each US citizen is about $1 trillion. It is a lot of money. I remember the US paid 3 stipends. I checked it and it summed up to $3200 per each US citizen during covid.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[925boy]

It does not matter who built the Suez Canal. The only thing that matter is "who holds the Suez Canal".

Ok sure.

Iran has the right of territorial water of Strait of Hormuz in a way that it can extract oil, gas etc but when it comes to passing tankers through Strait of Hormuz, international law kicks in.

How did International law kick in when US started seizing oil tankers off Venezuela coast?

All the straits in world allow fee passage of tankers without any toll tax.

As long as no littoral state that borders the waterway is under threat!
It's 100% legal for iran to block the sttait of hormuz if its being used to threaten it's security and peaceful commerce. Conditions bro!

 

[PakFactor]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but $3200 per each US citizen is about $1 trillion. It is a lot of money. I remember the US paid 3 stipends. I checked it and it summed up to $3200 per each US citizen during covid.

Indeed, while this provided cash to U.S. citizens, other programs went further, some even extending unemployment insurance to contractors (Uber, etc.), who typically do not qualify for it. Their supplemental income was boosted by the COVID bill. Many were making more money not working than working. Then you have the Payroll Protection Program, etc.

The total cost was closer to $5 trillion.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Persian Gulf]

Iran armed houthis, so they can fight against GCC (Iran's other enemies). Houthis already served that purpose for years. Also Iran didn't come itself to their aid. Jumping into war is a whole different ball game then assisting with weapons. In return, Iran is expecting them to put their life on line and jump directly into its war which has nothing to do with houthis. Anyways, they already fired missiles at Israel and most likely are keeping its stock for later use.

Houthis were the only ones who stood for Gaza. They were viciously attacking shipping lines during genocide putting pressure that calm in red sea is via calm in Gaza. No other country including Iran did anything. Every country is selfish but Houthis are most selfless people. They can put their lives and their children lives in line for the cause they seem as just. Its their choice and its their timing whenever they'd do the next move.

Yemen doesn't need MRBMs to fight Arabs. They need it to fight Israel, and that is how they used MRBMs.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Lufthansa cuts 20,000 flights to save fuel as prices soar

KLM reduces Europe flights and cancels others until June 14

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Europe has 6 weeks of jet fuel left.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Massive depletion of US defensive and offensive weapons after one month of war with Iran

Approximate estimates of percentages of U.S. munitions expended in Iran war, per
@CNN:

50% THAAD interceptors

50% Patriot interceptors

45% Precision Strike Missiles

30% Tomahawk missiles

20% Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles

20% Standard Missiles (SM-3 and SM-6)

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