Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Why do you need a deal if Iran can't resist. Trump said he wants to take the oil. What's stopping him?

Where did I say Iran can't resist? Of course it can. But it is choosing to take the deal. Why is that?

 

[VCheng]

It isn't a math equation.

It is a universal geopolitical truth.

 

[Flotilla]

Just look at one aspect: What Iran does ensures the inclination of everyone around it to rush into the US camp. Cha-ching! Thank you Iran.

You must change your cable TV. Irán now has hotline contact with all GCC countries. And what is more surprising even some GCC countries are purchasing South Korean SAM systems or contacting China to purchase their new J35.

 

[krash]

You are confusing AQ ideology with calling out oppressors. In what world does Iranians chanting marg bar amrika have anything in common with Indonesian jihadi groups?

Not at all. The common Muslim today believes that he can fight his way out of this. AQ stands at the extreme perverse end of this ideology coupled with a few others.

It's also very amusing when outsiders call on ordinary Iranian to STFU and stop chanting these slogans, and for the Govt to steer the people away from the calls. The only way to do this would be for the state to enforce a prohibition through censorship and violence. But I guess that flies for some people so long as you can be on good terms with the Americans and look all grown up and sensible?

The sentiments found in the Iranian public are not foreign to the rest of the Muslim societies. Yet, you do not see the same idiotically antagonistic behavior from those countries.

To "be on good terms with Americans and look all grown up and sensible". If this is all you've understood then you are clearly wasting both our time.

As far as "sectarian lens" goes, you've completely misread my post. But clearly you have some kind of self-hatred going on, so will leave it there.

Ad Hominem; the crutch of every arguer who has nothing else to offer.

Who has been spared ? Do you mean the GCC or Turkey or Pakistan , all of whom turned themselves into US proxies and have been dragged into one war after another ?

And yet they find themselves in positions exponentially better for their people and their national interests.

The US was busy elsewhere and grossly under-estimated China, additionally the neo-cons made a bad gamble that globalization would lead to democratization. Those are the only reasons China was able to "hide its strength and bide it's time". Else the Chinese would have been as aggressively interfered with and attacked as Mideast. The US still has these plans for China.

The US has and continues to aggressively interfere with China. You need to brush up on it. The fact that it is unable to to the same extent is to the credit of the Chinese.

Aah I see what's really going on here.

Pray do loop us in.

 

[Shags101]

They are ALL doing the same things. EQUALLY.

Those who pick and choose among them are simply showing their own prejudices and biases, that is all.

Simple. And clear.

So your prejudice you attempt to say in many of your posts that one side holds a moral ground when they don’t Trump isn’t a hero he’s a narcissist who only thinks of his own needs and wants but I’m done with this back and forth at least you admitted to being prejudice and not simply stating your thoughts that I would respect if they actually viewed both sides in a neutral way

 

[VCheng]

You must change your cable TV. Irán now has hotline contact with all GCC countries. And what is more surprising even some GCC countries are purchasing South Korean SAM systems or contacting China to purchase their new J35.

You must learn to add. What are the dollar amounts for the sales that you mention compared to western sales to the region?

 

[Flotilla]

US strikes on Iran: 13,000
Iranian strikes on US: 0

Lie.
The goal of the campaign was not 13.000 bomb sorties.

It were changing the regime.
Destroy the ballistic missile force.
Destroy the nuclear infraestructure remaining.
Stop Iranian influence over allies.

No one of them was achieved.

Even Israelí opposition is talking about "catastrophe".

 

[Kyussis]

Geography is hard for Americans!

 

[VCheng]

you attempt to say in many of your posts that one side holds a moral ground

LOL. I have ALWAYS said that geopolitics knows no morality. Personal concepts simply do not apply to the geopolitical domain. And I have caught much flak for saying that.

Even @Musings and @Mr X will testify to that.

 

[Meengla]

they need a neo-con badly right now. Otherwise they are fked. Even trump is not stupid, he is pragmatic enough to actually break rleations with israel if shit gets bad enough

There are no NeoCons in the line of succession as far as I can see. And to even pass pro Israel Resolutions in the Congress with majority is not going to be easy going forward. If the proposed vote to merge the Israeli and the American military infra requires 2/3rd vote then say goodbye to that! We saw a few weeks ago that 85% of Democratic Senators voted to stop arm sales to Israel. The War Powers Act passed with 4 Republican Reps voting for that recently. And to be noted is that the arms sales to Israel are a fairly routine matter which maybe helping the 'job creations' in America but still so many Dems voted against that.

There has been a tectonic shift in America. The Democrats were already turning anti-Israel. Now a substantial numbers of Republicans too. We can see the polls. Israelis have done a terrible job trying to 'cancel' the right win stalwarts like Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly. But then Israelis are desperate and so they are going to be making such stupid mistakes more and more. Once Steve Bannon also forcefully joins Tucker and Megyn openly, then horrible for the pro Israel crowd.

 

[tsunset]

Some people here wants us to believe that the goal of the war was to destroy the mighty IRIN that poses a threat to the galaxy

LOL

 

[Flotilla]

You must learn to add. What are the dollar amounts for the sales that you mention compared to western sales to the region?

Dollar is not influence of US in the region.
Right now US needs a MOU for reopening the Straits. And more worrying, the toll was working and Irán was getting a good money, and by the way not dollars.

 

[Watandar]

And yet they find themselves in positions better for their people and their national interests.

Indeed you are allowed to grab some crumbs from the table when you are a collaborator with the US/Israel, but only upto a point. The same America was ready to sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel in the recent war.

The US has and continues to aggressively interfere with China. You need to brush up on it. The fact that it is unable to the same extent is to the credit of the Chinese.

I am not aware of war, coups, insurgency or sanctions imposed on China in the last 40 years. I am aware of propaganda and some tech restrictions on the Chinese in just the last few years. There is no comparison in US relations with China and the Mideast.

Pray do loop us in.

Muharram has started and century after century the same evil message is given isn't it ? Don't resist the oppressor , no point in it, just enjoy the money and life.

 

[Optical216]

There are no NeoCons in the line of succession as far as I can see. And to even pass pro Israel Resolutions in the Congress with majority is not going to be easy going forward. If the proposed vote to merge the Israeli and the American military infra requires 2/3rd vote then say goodbye to that! We saw a few weeks ago that 85% of Democratic Senators voted to stop arm sales to Israel. The War Powers Act passed with 4 Republican Reps voting for that recently. And to be noted is that the arms sales to Israel are a fairly routine matter which maybe helping the 'job creations' in America but still so many Dems voted against that.

There has been a tectonic shift in America. The Democrats were already turning anti-Israel. Now a substantial numbers of Republicans too. We can see the polls. Israelis have done a terrible job trying to 'cancel' the right win stalwarts like Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly. But then Israelis are desperate and so they are going to be making such stupid mistakes more and more. Once Steve Bannon also forcefully joins Tucker and Megyn openly, then horrible for the pro Israel crowd.

i would not underestimate the mossad. they are deep like parasites inside of the USA Administration.

 

[KingQamaR]

Dollar is not influence of US in the region.
Right now US needs a MOU for reopening the Straits. And more worrying, the toll was working and Irán was getting a good money, and by the way not dollars.

You miss the part mate that the US uses military for petrol-dollar. The thing you see today in Iran is the US exercise of violence to maintain it.