Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[krash]

Indeed you are allowed to grab some crumbs from the table when you are a collaborator with the US/Israel, but only upto a point. The same America was ready to sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel in the recent war.

You don't need to be a collaborator, just not an instigator. Your need today is the bully's ignorance and the resultant peace to grow. The crumbs will have to do until you can make something of yourself. Do it smartly, unlike the GCC, and there might come a time when you can break free.

I am not aware of war, coups, insurgency or sanctions imposed on China in the last 40 years. I am aware of propaganda and some tech restrictions on the Chinese in just the last few years.

Google can help. What do you think the Korean and Vietnamese wars were? Still arms a break-away Chinese island against it.

There is no comparison in US relations with China and the Mideast.

And that is not because of US magnanimity.

Muharram has started and century after century the same evil message is given isn't it ? Don't resist the oppressor , no point in it, just enjoy the money and life.

Just like the other poster above, if this is all you've gotten from what I've said then you have only wasted both our time and proven my point.

Would've loved to watch you attempt to reconcile this with what Imam *Hasan did, let alone Sulah Hudaibiyah, but that would be cruel and beyond the forum.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

keep their heads down

Korean war... they warned the US several times... and then jumped in... just like Iran today, then Gen MacArthur wanted to use NUKES in Korea after the Chinese entry.

There are times when you can keep your head down... Iranian internal politics has been meddled by both Brits and then the US ... I don't know why but the term blowback was coined after Mossadegh was sacked in a coup... guess what the pent up anger removed the installed Shah. They were not happy with the US because their resources were not for their own benefit... and ever since the US made sure by the sanctions that they cannot use their own money... their own resources... their own scientists... their own infrastructure... their own uranium... which is legal under international law... nothing is for Iran... the head you want bowed is primed for an axe... not to move along!

 

[Shags101]

LOL. I have ALWAYS said that geopolitics knows no morality. Personal concepts simply do not apply to the geopolitical domain. And I have caught much flak for saying that.

Even @Musings and @Mr X will testify to that.

Ok moving on I proved my point anyway you attempted to sidestep a question saying it off topic when it wasn’t but I’m good so I will leave it at that

 

[RocketLaw]

UAE humiliation in front of media



see what Trump says in the end - LOL

0:15





What's wrong with UAE MBZ - seems like feeling down or something

 

[Watandar]

You don't need to be a collaborator, just not an instigator. Your need today is the bully's ignorance and the resultant peace to grow. The crumbs will have to do until you can make something of yourself. Do it smartly, unlike the GCC, and there might come a time when you can break free.

I wonder why not a single country in the region is able to do this , is that because this is pie in the sky thinking ? The US/Israel are the instigators of the conflicts in the wider region and will continue until they are exhausted or defeated.

Google can help. What do you think the Korean and Vietnamese wars were? Still arms a break-away Chinese island against it.

Maybe use Google yourself and realize the target of Korea and Vietnam wars were....Korea and Vietnam. China was not getting bombed or blockaded or coup'd , instead it has received trillions worth of Western money and tech transfer due to policy of Globalization.

And that is not because of US magnanimity.

Yes it was the mistaken policy of Globalization that the US now realizes was bad for it.

Just like the other poster above, if this is all you've gotten from what I've said then you have only wasted both our time and proven my point.

Would've loved to watch you attempt to reconcile this with what Imam *Hasan did, let alone Sulah Hudaibiyah, but that would be cruel and beyond the forum.

Sulah Hudaibiyah...literally same talking points. Which Salafi channel do you copy paste from ?

You people always come out at this time of the year with the same message don't you ? Just in different ways. Don't try to disguise yourself using geopolitics.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Only for trolls, not for people seriously discussing geopolitics.

Troll indeed... every post that seems etched with severe heartburn that you can read in the text... because he keeps making superficial surface troll remarks... it derails the thread from any meaningful conversation. It cannot be indepth without him getting constipated about it...

 

[Watandar]

Troll indeed... every post that seems etched with severe heartburn that you can read in the text... because he keeps making superficial surface troll remarks... it derails the thread from any meaningful conversation. It cannot be indepth without him getting constipated about it...

yeah and I am also at fault for taking the bait. Back to topic.

 

[flyingorca]

Indeed you are allowed to grab some crumbs from the table when you are a collaborator with the US/Israel, but only upto a point. The same America was ready to sacrifice the GCC for the sake of Israel in the recent war.

I am not aware of war, coups, insurgency or sanctions imposed on China in the last 40 years. I am aware of propaganda and some tech restrictions on the Chinese in just the last few years. There is no comparison in US relations with China and the Mideast.



Muharram has started and century after century the same evil message is given isn't it ? Don't resist the oppressor , no point in it, just enjoy the money and life.

Common sense question wouod be, does Iran know that Pakistan was working on US Israel interest against Iran? Do yall think only PTI are smart and rest of the world is dumb and stupid?

 

[Master Chief]

.... know that geopolitics is the same for all. 101%. Always. Equally.

Imagine training an AI with just VCheng style retorts to all questions ever asked.

Two or three lines of programming tops.

 

[VCheng]

I proved my point anyway

ROFL. What you said about what I was saying about anyone being more or less moral than anyone was a LIE, so that is the only point to be made.

Geopolitics has no concept of morality. And all the current players in this war - on topic - are playing it according to their own national interests only, equally.

USA is no more evil than Iran is noble. Geopolitics is geopolitics. And war is merely geopolitics by other means, including the present war.

I just hope it ends once the MoU and the final settlement is done in 60 days. I personally find war to be abohrrent.

 

[VCheng]

Dollar is not influence of US in the region.
Right now US needs a MOU for reopening the Straits. And more worrying, the toll was working and Irán was getting a good money, and by the way not dollars.

Influence or not, the fear of Iranian subversion helps drive sales of western military equipment by the billions to all others in the region. So Iran is helpful in that sense, which is what I said.

Let us wait for the terms of the MoU before talking about tolls and the revenue thereof. If Iran gets them, it will be a huge achievement for Iran.

 

[Watandar]

What does this paragraph mean in this otherwise very good article ?

"Tehran recently announced the creation of a “new security belt” of the axis and claimed a new doctrine of “unified resistance front,” where any attack on the axis would trigger a coordinated response by all Axis members."

How Iran gained the strategic upper hand in the war with the US and Israel

Tehran has exploited its asymmetric warfare capabilities to strengthen its position.

theconversation.com

 

[VCheng]

Imagine training an AI with just VCheng style retorts to all questions ever asked.

Two or three lines of programming tops.

Imagine staying on topic.

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Geopolitical strategies are always in the pursuit of national interests, and everyone must follow the same rules, no matter what they may claim. ALL of them.

This is exactly what is happening now in the context of this war as well. Once the terms are known is when it would be appropriate to talk about who gained what advantage, and at what cost.

Of course, there will be lots of noisy claims made by both sides to prove to their own audiences that they are the victorious party. The truth probably will lie somewhere in the middle. We do not know yet.

 

[BHAN85]

The question now is what will do Israel to blow up the deal.

Attack lebanon was not enough last time.

 

[krash]

Korean war... they warned the US several times... and then jumped in... just like Iran today they Gen MacArthur wanted to use NUKES in Korea after the Chinese entry.

There are times when you can keep your head down... Iranian internal politics has been meddled by both Brits and then the US ... I don't know why but the term blowback was coined after Mossadegh was sacked in a coup... guess what the pent up anger removed the installed Shah. They were not happy with the US because their resources were not for their own benefit... and ever since the US made sure by the sanctions that they cannot use their own money... their own resources... their own scientists... their own infrastructure... their own uranium... which is legal under international law... nothing is for Iran... the head you want bowed is primed for an axe... not to move along!

I've repeated this about a dozen times here. The head you pretend is not bowed is in fact rubbing in dirt, proud but still in dirt. The global bully will interfere everywhere and every time it deems fit for its purpose. It is your responsibility to not give it the excuses to do so until you actually can stand up to it or have no other choice. To stand up, you need to grow, to grow you need peace, for peace you need the bully to look elsewhere just long enough. The Chinese have been doing exactly that. The Korean War is an exact example of when they could and how much they could. In fact, and very unexpectedly, Pakistan did as well in acquiring its nuclear weapons. These fantastical pseudo-righteous stances are only good within the limits of drawing rooms. What have they yielded in the past 200 years? We've only sunk further. If you keep poking the global bully it will not let you make anything of yourself, see then if moral arguments can come to your defense.