Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Yousafzai_M]

One Ohio class SSBN is essentially a civilization ender. I hope to God it's never used.

And if so used, Only as second strike capability

Soviet Union's ICBMs were civilisation enders too. Didn't help much in the end.

 

[lightning f57]

according to Reuters who now received the Framework agreement and papers of the Iran-US deal and confirmed then again with US officials.

the 300 billion is indeed written in there and its "Privately funded",

and half of it is already collected.

Most of the money will come from private US billionaires and some Gulf Arab´s related to their ruling families.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/

DUBAI, June 16 (Reuters) - A $300 billion private fund designed to trigger investment into Iran is outlined in the U.S.-Iran framework agreement and more than half that sum has already been committed, a source with ‌direct knowledge of the deal told Reuters.
The fund is designed to give both sides an economic incentive to conclude a final deal, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan has not yet been announced as Washington and Tehran prepare to sign on Friday.

$300bn was never free money but investment from the outside, I think its welcome as long as there is clear Iranian oversight.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[RocketLaw]

Did India condemn the US for killing innocent Indian sailors ?

Very happy Modi

 

[lightning f57]

He dodged so many questions, his definitely the dove in the government. His more vocal now which tells us his side of the argument won.

 

[RocketLaw]

JUST IN: TURKEY FM HAKAN FIDAN ON ISRAEL:

“Israel's stance in the region is not just a problem for a few countries, it's a problem for the entire world, and the entire world is aware of it.

For the first time, a shared understanding is forming across the entire world about dissolving the illusion that Israel has created.

When Israel sees that the entire world is engaged in a diplomatic effort against it, it will not be able to take action.”

 

[Meengla]

Trump is genuinely pissed at Israel. This alone must go some of the way towards explaining several of his statements today, including my personal favourite:
"Without the United States, there would be no Israel. Without me, there would be no Israel, because no other president was willing to do what I did".
(That second part by the way is exactly what @Meengla has been saying on this thread for weeks - makes me wonder if Trump is watching!).

Forget the Prof. Jiang analyst out there, I knew if Trump was going to be elected in 2024 then he would be very harsh in the Middle East. I had expressed that warning several times in the Israel-Gaza war thread from 2023 onwards. Only a few here had agreed with me and they, in the typical lazy thinking, didn't see a difference between the candidate Harris and candidate Trump. Zeteo's Mehdi Hassan had also said 'Things could be worse' than even Biden and he and I and people like us are proven right.

My disappointment is with the expats living in America and their lazy non-political brains. To be so ignorant of basics of American politics they should re-examine their posts in the Gaza war thread where they thought there would be no difference between Trump and Harris as POTUS. Absolutely wrong: Harris had to say things to get the AIPAC money and so did Trump for their campaigns and we all know how much $$ plays a role in the American elections. But Harris' political base was very much pro Palestinian unlike Trump's MAGA base then. So there would not be a war on Iran, there would be better policy in Gaza under a POTUS Harris but we wouldn't know that now. However, predictions about Trump have come true about the Middle East: He is deeply a Zionist, too beholden to Israel and if he is only backpaddling now it is because he is in a no-win situation.

Well that was in the past but even in this thread, as you can see, the lazy resignations of so many about the supposed insurmountable power of AIPAC. No, AIPAC doesn't have any insurmountable power. America is afterall a democracy, a point I have raised multiple times in this thread, and ultimately the leadership has to listen to its political base and looks like even Trump is listening.

 

[KAL-EL]

Soviet Union's ICBMs were civilisation enders too. Didn't help much in the end.

But the now Russia still has most of those ICBMs. They too are civilization enders.

I was specifically talking about USN SSBN subs and why they are there for second strike capability.

Silent, but very deadly.

 

[delta2]

Amen to that!

That is true and will remain so until Allah Almighty grants the similar or a better or bigger power to someone else. He Alone according to His Wisdom always grants unmatched power or balances things as He likes.

 

[KingQamaR]

During first Gulf war American didn't not put boots on ground but they continue to weaken Iraq until Saddam ran out of defensive equipment even with the help of UN and severe sanction Saddam force to destroy UN allowed range missiles but still they made lame excuse and capture Iraq, Now you are witnessing USA / Israel scuffle even verbal but in reality this is eye wash because most of the European nations turned against Israel that is why US / Israel just playing drama and all this packs and hush hush is just to buy time in order to re-arm and attack Iran in another way.

Even if it’s temporary pause for both sides to re-arm. Iran will do it again launch drones missiles at ships close the Hormuz straits sending shipping costs soaring crashing global economy the 2nd time: You need boots on ground to stop the above doubtful US would win even with with boots on the ground, or if any victory would be worth it at that cost. I honestly do believe Americans have capitulated here and will not repeat this fiasco again.

 

[Shags101]

He dodged so many questions, his definitely the dove in the government. His more vocal now which tells us his side of the argument won.

Well one thing for sure he dislikes Bibi and he sees this war damaging American interested not strengthening them let’s hope he’s smarter than Trump and he always knows that Bibi was full of like the reports have been saying for a long time now

 

[BananaRepublic]

The Germans had killed the British Empire in WW2 already, but its burial definitely took place in the Suez lol.

Died on land, buried at sea.

 

[Master Chief]

The first step I keep suggesting is to deprive Israel of the fuel they use to inflame US opinions, and stop the totally unnecessary Iranian death chants.

If you listen to the actual statements of senior Iranian officials and their actual propaganda channels, their narrative is much more nuanced and indeed, makes abundantly clear that there is a class of Americans that Iranians see eye to eye with. Their leadership is routinely on record as having stated that tax paying American citizens are not blameworthy for the ills of the Israeli lobby that moves in the circles of power in Washington DC.

The actual discourse is far more selective and rational than you give it credit for and this is either disingenuous on your part, as you know full well the nature of these matters, or it is an entirely excusable lack of awareness of the reality because of what certain media channels are spoonfeeding Americans on a daily basis since 1948.

I think some Iranians probably will always rail against America in this way and certainly will against Israel in this way. But the leadership class is already attuned to and willing to work with certain Americans to uncouple Israeli influence from this dynamic once and for all.

I believe that you will even see this happen in our time. Bibi himself has accelerated this entirely logical outcome.

 

[KAL-EL]

That is true and will remain so until Allah Almighty grants the similar or a better or bigger power to someone else. He Alone according to His Wisdom always grants unmatched power or balances things as He likes.

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever

 

[Meengla]

It’s funny really funny it’s starting to look like jd Vance is over Bibi and his lobbyist these few “slip of a tongues” could be meaningless but you start looking at the right wing media in Israel they are now going after Trump and his people they were heroic yesterday and villains today.
I don’t like Trump I wish he stayed on the Apprentice but he’s here and we have to deal with him for a few more years unless old age catches up to him or something else but the one thing we know about Trump you say one bad word about him and he will turn on you and your people in a heartbeat he doesn’t care about people all he cares about is himself and how much richer he can get let’s pray Bibi or one of his cronies pushes the envelope

You were using a different ID in this forum then but I recall you were one of those few ones in the Gaza war thread from Oct. 2023 onward who agreed with me that Trump was going to be even worse on the Middle East than Biden was or Harris would be.
Yes, I am still bitter about how people, specially the educated expats living in America, didn't have basic understanding of the American politics. Hopefully, now they know more.