Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[delta2]

Amen to that!

That is true and will remain so until Allah Almighty grants the similar or a better or bigger power to someone else. He Alone according to His Wisdom always grants unmatched power or balances things as He likes.

 

[KingQamaR]

During first Gulf war American didn't not put boots on ground but they continue to weaken Iraq until Saddam ran out of defensive equipment even with the help of UN and severe sanction Saddam force to destroy UN allowed range missiles but still they made lame excuse and capture Iraq, Now you are witnessing USA / Israel scuffle even verbal but in reality this is eye wash because most of the European nations turned against Israel that is why US / Israel just playing drama and all this packs and hush hush is just to buy time in order to re-arm and attack Iran in another way.

Even if it’s temporary pause for both sides to re-arm. Iran will do it again launch drones missiles at ships close the Hormuz straits sending shipping costs soaring crashing global economy the 2nd time: You need boots on ground to stop the above doubtful US would win even with with boots on the ground, or if any victory would be worth it at that cost. I honestly do believe Americans have capitulated here and will not repeat this fiasco again.

 

[Shags101]

He dodged so many questions, his definitely the dove in the government. His more vocal now which tells us his side of the argument won.

Well one thing for sure he dislikes Bibi and he sees this war damaging American interested not strengthening them let’s hope he’s smarter than Trump and he always knows that Bibi was full of like the reports have been saying for a long time now

 

[BananaRepublic]

The Germans had killed the British Empire in WW2 already, but its burial definitely took place in the Suez lol.

Died on land, buried at sea.

 

[Master Chief]

The first step I keep suggesting is to deprive Israel of the fuel they use to inflame US opinions, and stop the totally unnecessary Iranian death chants.

If you listen to the actual statements of senior Iranian officials and their actual propaganda channels, their narrative is much more nuanced and indeed, makes abundantly clear that there is a class of Americans that Iranians see eye to eye with. Their leadership is routinely on record as having stated that tax paying American citizens are not blameworthy for the ills of the Israeli lobby that moves in the circles of power in Washington DC.

The actual discourse is far more selective and rational than you give it credit for and this is either disingenuous on your part, as you know full well the nature of these matters, or it is an entirely excusable lack of awareness of the reality because of what certain media channels are spoonfeeding Americans on a daily basis since 1948.

I think some Iranians probably will always rail against America in this way and certainly will against Israel in this way. But the leadership class is already attuned to and willing to work with certain Americans to uncouple Israeli influence from this dynamic once and for all.

I believe that you will even see this happen in our time. Bibi himself has accelerated this entirely logical outcome.

 

[KAL-EL]

That is true and will remain so until Allah Almighty grants the similar or a better or bigger power to someone else. He Alone according to His Wisdom always grants unmatched power or balances things as He likes.

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever

 

[Meengla]

It’s funny really funny it’s starting to look like jd Vance is over Bibi and his lobbyist these few “slip of a tongues” could be meaningless but you start looking at the right wing media in Israel they are now going after Trump and his people they were heroic yesterday and villains today.
I don’t like Trump I wish he stayed on the Apprentice but he’s here and we have to deal with him for a few more years unless old age catches up to him or something else but the one thing we know about Trump you say one bad word about him and he will turn on you and your people in a heartbeat he doesn’t care about people all he cares about is himself and how much richer he can get let’s pray Bibi or one of his cronies pushes the envelope

You were using a different ID in this forum then but I recall you were one of those few ones in the Gaza war thread from Oct. 2023 onward who agreed with me that Trump was going to be even worse on the Middle East than Biden was or Harris would be.
Yes, I am still bitter about how people, specially the educated expats living in America, didn't have basic understanding of the American politics. Hopefully, now they know more.

 

[delta2]

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever

He says, "Be", and it is!

 

[BananaRepublic]

Trump is suddenly in love with the Aye-ranians ??

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Pure coping by Trump.

Trump knows he has lost so wants to move on fast.

He can say he has replaced the old guard with new leadership.

His cult will swallow it up.

Especially since his cult now hates Pisrael.

 

[BananaRepublic]

You were using a different ID in this forum then but I recall you were one of those few ones in the Gaza war thread from Oct. 2023 onward who agreed with me that Trump was going to be even worse on the Middle East than Biden was or Harris would be.
Yes, I am still bitter about how people, specially the educated expats living in America, didn't have basic understanding of the American politics. Hopefully, now they know more.

Only idiots thought Trump would be better for Muslims - given his history and his acquaintances.

 

[Meengla]

Even if it’s temporary pause for both sides to re-arm. Iran will do it again launch drones missiles at ships close the Hormuz straits sending shipping costs soaring crashing global economy the 2nd time: You need boots on ground to stop the above doubtful US would win even with with boots on the ground, or if any victory would be worth it at that cost. I honestly do believe Americans have capitulated here and will not repeat this fiasco again.

Right.
Around the time this war was started, I had posted in this thread that if the Iranians fight as one nation, then they would come out ahead. And they have.
In this war, to make the Iranians capitulate would require only three routes:
1) Choking their economy until they imploded and had a civil war
2) Carpet bombing with heavy bombers for a long time and widespread area
3) Multiple nukes.

None of those options were practical. #1: Iran continued to have connections with the outside world and when Pakistan opened six trade routes to/from Iran, I understood that it was with the American blessings. #2: Huge risks of the American jets downed and prisoners taken and thus a repeat of Carter's Presidency. #3: Impossible, especially considering Iran was never a direct threat to America.

 

[Eşbah]

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I wish the best for Iran and hope for an economic revival of historic dimensions. However, I bet my bottom dollar that the stupid leadership in Tehran will not prioritise trade with its neighbors.

 

[BananaRepublic]

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Where the hell is Bangladesh!

Hey! Tareq! Get off your backside!

Send our best Hilsa to Asim Munir.

 

[Meengla]

If you listen to the actual statements of senior Iranian officials and their actual propaganda channels, their narrative is much more nuanced and indeed, makes abundantly clear that there is a class of Americans that Iranians see eye to eye with. Their leadership is routinely on record as having stated that tax paying American citizens are not blameworthy for the ills of the Israeli lobby that moves in the circles of power in Washington DC.
The actual discourse is far more selective and rational than you give it credit for and this is either disingenuous on your part, as you know full well the nature of these matters, or it is an entirely excusable lack of awareness of the reality because of what certain media channels are spoonfeeding Americans on a daily basis since 1948.

"Disingenuous" is the right word.
Even if the Iranians were to sing the American anthem daily on the streets of Tehran and wave American flags, it would not move the needle as far as the American policy on Iran was concerned. The American policy on Iran was certainly because of Iran's regional policies since 1979, especially for Palestine and against Israel. No songs for America on the streets of Tehran would make a damn difference!

 

[Shags101]

Right.
Around the time this war was started, I had posted in this thread that if the Iranians fight as one nation, then they would come out ahead. And they have.
In this war, to make the Iranians capitulate would require only three routes:
1) Choking their economy until they imploded and had a civil war
2) Carpet bombing with heavy bombers for a long time and widespread area
3) Multiple nukes.

None of those options were practical. #1: Iran continued to have connections with the outside world and when Pakistan opened six trade routes to/from Iran, I understood that it was with the American blessings. #2: Huge risks of the American jets downed and prisoners taken and thus a repeat of Carter's Presidency. #3: Impossible, especially considering Iran was never a direct threat to America.

Honestly the more you hear the Israelis crying about the deal the more it’s starting to sound like a win they are even talking about an Iran having enrichment still under this agreement…..so what the hell was this war for you know what it is for absolutely nothing as the song goes