Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

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[VCheng]

Strikes underway again.

That is indeed sad that the MoU did not get a lasting result, at least thus far. My admonition to wait and see turned out to be true, unfortunately.

Now it will be strategy of slow and steady elimination of target from one side vs the economic effects of the SoH being closed, or at least under threat, from the other.

It is still anybody's war to win - at least in my view.

For many of course, Iran has already won a few weeks ago already.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Read the thread... It's not hard brother.

I understand. There has been many back and forth strikes so just wanted to confirm.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

That is indeed sad that the MoU did not get a lasting result, at least thus far. My admonition to wait and see turned out to be true, unfortunately.

Now it will be strategy of slow and steady elimination of target from one side vs the economic effects of the SoH being closed, or at least under threat, from the other.

It is still anybody's war to win.

Pakistan needs to stay away from mediating. As much as I would like Iran to have upper hand, let Iran and rest sort it out!

 

[Immortals]

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[Master Chief]

Unfortunately the guy you are responding to sounds like another expat Pakistani in love with the imprisoned stupid 'Khan' and thus he portrays the current Pakistani leadership as some American stooges. I call them the Reza Shah Pahlavi Brigade of Pakistan. They are loud and mouth off their stupid ideas all over the internet to reflect their domestic politics as Pakistan's geopolitics.
Suffice it to say that it is the Iranian leadership on all levels which knows where Pakistan really stands. But I wish these RSPB of Pakistan stop their nonsense propaganda at least in this thread despite their prerogatives of the expats in expansive mood.

No sir, he is a sensible gentleman who is a veteran of this forum, unlike many others who would certainly fit neatly into your apt defintion. He spoke his mind, as we all have in recent weeks, as tensions are suddenly quite high again.

Our government isn't perfect at this "mediation" game by a long way and yet they are - admirably - persisting with the role that was thrust upon them by virtue of happenstance (rather than any deliberate design). But you are most correct in that we must acknowledge the difficulty of their position and be supportive, regardless of actual personal political loyalties - that is very much the case. I hope and pray they continue to tread this fine line with caution, even though the gloves between the belligerent themselves seem to be well and truly off. You and I both know the nature of the great game that is afoot - Tel Aviv seeks a perfect outcome for their nefarious and cataclysmic designs. We have to hope that Tehran and Islamabad can thwart those designs and that somehow, Washington stands down. Like you, I do think this is their only window of opportunity for a truly destructive outcome - when Trump goes, that window should shut. Perhaps Iran simply needs to survive that long. Perhaps.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Wide ranging strikes by the US

I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.

 

[ShapurII]

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Wide ranging strikes by the US

I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.

I want the IRGC to destroy a couple of HVTs in the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman without any excuse.

Destroy it, not damage it. Completely destroy one of their major oil production plants by hitting every critical component of the facility in each country separately. Swarm drones with cruise and ballistic missiles all at the same time should be more than enough for these statelets. Do this to each of these tiny Sheikhdoms and let oil production drop by a few million barrels per day. Make their suffering permanent and then you will see how willing they will be to resume the war after they no longer have oil money for these types of adventurisms.

Iran's GDP growth this year is projected to be -5.5%. If Iran's GDP is shrinking by 5%, those tiny Sheikhdoms should have their GDPs shrink by 10%-15% at least.

 

[VCheng]

I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.

Obviously, one must trust that the strategy being pursued by each side is the best possible for them, given that they alone have the complete picture of what is going on, and the resources available, and we do not.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I want the IRGC to destroy a couple of HVTs in the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman without any excuse.

Destroy it, not damage it. Completely destroy one of their major oil production plants by hitting every critical component of the facility in each country separately. Do this to each of these tiny Sheikhdoms and let oil production drop by a few million barrels per day. Make their suffering permanent.

Iran's GDP growth this year is projected to be -5.5%. If Iran's GDP is shrinking by 5%, those tiny Sheikhdoms should have their GDPs shrink by 10%-15% at least.

The strikes are getting closer to Tehran. They will be striking Tehran again soon.

We are still too passive and our strikes are spread out across too many targets. Concentrated strikes on 1-2 HVTs per day would be much more effective.

For now the only good news is that traffic in the SoH is at low levels while Iran can still export oil. But once the U.S. imposes its naval blockade again, Iran will be in a bad position again. We should act decisively now rather than waiting for that to happen.

 

[ShapurII]

For now the only good news is that traffic in the SoH is at low levels while Iran can still export oil. But once the U.S. imposes its naval blockade again, Iran will be in a bad position again. We should act decisively now rather than waiting for that to happen.

Well, the full half of the glass is that we have already emptied our oil storage capacity and if the US imposes a blockade again, it'll take 2-3 months for our storage to be full again.

The empty half of the glass is that oil prices are hovering around $70-$75 and we need them to rise to at least $120 for the Americans and the Europeans to panic. Long way to get there again.

 

[Abdul q]

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[Master Chief]

Obviously, one must trust that the strategy being pursued by each side is the best possible for them, given that they alone have the complete picture of what is going on, and the resources available, and we do not.

This generalisation makes little sense in practice.

You are saying mistakes (human sourced or otherwise) are impossible in war.

Either belligerent is very much capable of an erroneous decision, or a "blunder", despite being fully informed with relevant intel and instruction from senior command elements.

I see no reason to blindly trust that either party is following and playing out an optimised strategy in this conflict. If one side was truly enjoying such an advantage, the war would have been over by now.

 

[wangdefa]

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Wide ranging strikes by the US

I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.

The legitimate justification for war is the crucial voice of civilian officials, who can seek support on any international stage. You see, Israel lacks a legitimate reason for war; they can only resort to excuses and unreasonable behavior on the international scene, and what they lose outweighs what they gain.