Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Master Chief
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No sir, he is a sensible gentleman who is a veteran of this forum, unlike many others who would certainly fit neatly into your apt defintion. He spoke his mind, as we all have in recent weeks, as tensions are suddenly quite high again.
Our government isn't perfect at this "mediation" game by a long way and yet they are - admirably - persisting with the role that was thrust upon them by virtue of happenstance (rather than any deliberate design). But you are most correct in that we must acknowledge the difficulty of their position and be supportive, regardless of actual personal political loyalties - that is very much the case. I hope and pray they continue to tread this fine line with caution, even though the gloves between the belligerent themselves seem to be well and truly off. You and I both know the nature of the great game that is afoot - Tel Aviv seeks a perfect outcome for their nefarious and cataclysmic designs. We have to hope that Tehran and Islamabad can thwart those designs and that somehow, Washington stands down. Like you, I do think this is their only window of opportunity for a truly destructive outcome - when Trump goes, that window should shut. Perhaps Iran simply needs to survive that long. Perhaps.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
Wide ranging strikes by the US
I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
I want the IRGC to destroy a couple of HVTs in the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman without any excuse.
Destroy it, not damage it. Completely destroy one of their major oil production plants by hitting every critical component of the facility in each country separately. Swarm drones with cruise and ballistic missiles all at the same time should be more than enough for these statelets. Do this to each of these tiny Sheikhdoms and let oil production drop by a few million barrels per day. Make their suffering permanent and then you will see how willing they will be to resume the war after they no longer have oil money for these types of adventurisms.
Iran's GDP growth this year is projected to be -5.5%. If Iran's GDP is shrinking by 5%, those tiny Sheikhdoms should have their GDPs shrink by 10%-15% at least.
VCheng
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Obviously, one must trust that the strategy being pursued by each side is the best possible for them, given that they alone have the complete picture of what is going on, and the resources available, and we do not.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
The strikes are getting closer to Tehran. They will be striking Tehran again soon.
We are still too passive and our strikes are spread out across too many targets. Concentrated strikes on 1-2 HVTs per day would be much more effective.
For now the only good news is that traffic in the SoH is at low levels while Iran can still export oil. But once the U.S. imposes its naval blockade again, Iran will be in a bad position again. We should act decisively now rather than waiting for that to happen.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
Well, the full half of the glass is that we have already emptied our oil storage capacity and if the US imposes a blockade again, it'll take 2-3 months for our storage to be full again.
The empty half of the glass is that oil prices are hovering around $70-$75 and we need them to rise to at least $120 for the Americans and the Europeans to panic. Long way to get there again.
Abdul q
Trusted Member
Saudis as usual never surprise us in kissing the ar**
Master Chief
Trusted Member
This generalisation makes little sense in practice.
You are saying mistakes (human sourced or otherwise) are impossible in war.
Either belligerent is very much capable of an erroneous decision, or a "blunder", despite being fully informed with relevant intel and instruction from senior command elements.
I see no reason to blindly trust that either party is following and playing out an optimised strategy in this conflict. If one side was truly enjoying such an advantage, the war would have been over by now.
wangdefa
Registered Member
The legitimate justification for war is the crucial voice of civilian officials, who can seek support on any international stage. You see, Israel lacks a legitimate reason for war; they can only resort to excuses and unreasonable behavior on the international scene, and what they lose outweighs what they gain.
Hayabusa
Registered Member
Hopefully some of them joined Lindsey in hell.
Yet one thing to note is the incredible accuracy of the missiles and real time information Iran is receiving. It is one thing to hit facilities, warehouses or in general, a static building. But to hit a mobile platform launching missiles, it's another level.
Iran needs to take it up a notch and start targetting Kuwait and UAE oil facilities. This will quickly force US to tone down on the escalation once the oil prices continue rising.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
massive strikes against military, economic, and power infrastructure throughout Iran by the US, after the US struck bridges and other vital infrastructure in recent days
IRGC yet to respond as it takes the pummelling for hours like a good compliant / asleep target willing to let the US evacuate its bases and safely return its jets before it decides to respond several hours later, despite knowing US strikes are coming at a similar time every day, and yet doing the same thing every time.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
US strikes have not stopped for more than 2 hours, there are massive power outages across large areas of Iran
and still the IRGC (let alone the useless government) has absolutely nothing to say or do.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
Air Raid Interceptions reported Tel Aviv Airspace:
Please await official clarification or update.
Please await official clarification or update.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
All we can do is hit the infrastructure of Arab states in the Persian Gulf in response to this. And I think the IRGC is reserving that option for when the US decides to overthrow the system again, like in the first weeks of the war.
This is why Iran giving up on nuclear deterrence was the stupidest idea ever. What can Iran do if tomorrow the US decides to hit all bridges, railways and power plants? Damage a couple of places in neighboring countries only? :/
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