Aryan_B
Elite Member
I understand your frustrations but dont be too harsh on leaders for now
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Aryan_B
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Immortals
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Shocking that a drone that looks like this:
….is hard to detect
These MALE drones that are big and bulky need to die. They are useless in contested airspace or against near peer adversary. This drone costs at least $8-10M without maintenance parts or weapons. Cheaper than Reaper drone sure, but just as vulnerable. We have seen Chinese LONG drone being shot down in iran and Yemen as well.
I hope Iran realizes this and retires many of its own bulky MALE drones and focuses on next generation designs that incorporate radar absorbing material and smaller RCS.
FUB
Trusted Member
What is the point of agreeing to a cease-fire when you have your enemy retreating? this is just foolish. They’re gonna re-arm. They’re gonna reload and they’re gonna do this again .
they’re not gonna comply with any of the MOU so what’s the point of opening the straight?
they’re not gonna comply with any of the MOU so what’s the point of opening the straight?
Immortals
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They fired hundreds (possibly more) in the 12 day war alone as Israel wasn’t penetrating Iranian airspace very often if at all. They likely fired another 1000-2000 during the 40 day war considering that U.S. and Israel launched 25,000+ strikes on Iran, I would say that number is conservative.
Once again I doubt Israeli fighters risked being shot down deep inside Iran and stayed in the border regions or over the Caspian Sea using Azerbaijan as friendly airspace to hide in. ALBMs were its weapon of choice in these situations. Most of the videos of hits deep inside Iran were Israeli drones.
So Iran needs to understand how a western military was able to create so many precise ALBMs in such a short time.
RzA
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I get the distrust. The US walked away from the JCPOA, brought back sanctions, and basically proved to Iran that a deal made with one administration can get torn up by the next. Fair point. But that still doesn't turn every worst case prediction into a proven fact.
And I wouldn't take Macron too seriously here -- the guy's an asshat who runs his mouth about as much as our own government does. That said, I'll engage with the actual European conditions that have been reported: restoring IAEA inspections, accounting for enriched uranium stockpiles, and returning to talks with Washington. You can absolutely call those demands coercive, but they're not remotely the same as telling Iran to give up its military, its sovereignty, or its ability to govern itself.
"The EU will never invest in Iran" is also too much. After the 2015 deal, European governments actively pushed trade, project financing, export credits, and investment into Iran. European companies lined up tens of billions in deals -- Airbus, Peugeot, Renault, Total, all in. What actually killed those deals was American secondary sanctions making the risk too high, which drove companies out. That shows Europe folds under US pressure, not that Europeans have some permanent aversion to doing business with Iran.
The strongest part of your argument is the point about future presidents re-imposing sanctions. Executive sanctions can be pulled back and then reinstated by the next guy, while sanctions passed by Congress are much harder to unwind. But that's an argument for demanding binding guarantees, congressional sign off, phased implementation, and automatic penalties for violations, which is not proof that diplomacy is a dead end. Some sanctions were already being waived under the 2026 interim arrangement, so saying no deal or concession will ever stick is overstating it.
The Libya comparison is a fair warning about what happens when a state collapses. It's not evidence that slave markets, permanent chaos, and resource grabs are the actual goal in Iran. A government can pursue a reckless policy that leads to disaster without that disaster being the secret plan all along. If you're going to claim deliberate intent, you need more than pointing at another country where intervention went badly.
UKBengali
Elite Member
ALBMs are not easy to manufacture and some are like only produced in last 5 years.
They also are rather expensive at like 5 million+ each and so those numbers are not realistic in my opinion.
Remember they used a lot of glide bombs to attack targets in Iran, and only used ALBMs in mass at start of each campaign to take out radars etc and then during the war other highly defended targets where they wanted to stay away many hundreds of kms from firing.
I still stick that they only ever had many hundreds at start of June 2025 and are now in low hundreds at most(2-300).
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Aryan_B
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Zelensky is a Jewish fraudster who is leading the youth of Ukraine to death. They will not beat Russia and they will not get their eastern provinces back by force. They will eventually have to negotiate and do a deal they could have done it at start without losing thousands of their men. But this bastard Jew is making money and using Ukraine as a proxy for UK and others. If west were freinds to Ukraine they would have said negotiate at start. When Biden was told that Ukraine short of soldiers he suggested lowering age of conscription to 21. Thats the kind of freind Ukraine dont need
Meengla
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Some people here may be underestimating Iran's own dire needs for a ceasefire. Also, don't forget that when the ceasefire was announced early April this year, the Israelis were very upset with that because in their words, Iran wasn't damaged enough. And maybe this ceasefire is connected with the recent visit of the Iranian Interior Minister to Pakistan.
UBAI/WASHINGTON, July 26 (Reuters) - Iran will halt its own attacks as long as the United States maintains its latest pause on airstrikes, a senior Iranian official told Reuters on Sunday, after President Donald Trump abruptly called off his two-week-old bombing campaign.
After 13 nights of intensifying U.S. airstrikes on Iran, the Pentagon abruptly suspended the campaign late on Friday, with no U.S. attacks reported on either Saturday or Sunday.
Iran, which had been following each night of U.S. attacks with its own strikes on neighbouring countries that host U.S. bases, has also so far held fire for two days.
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Mike Waltz, told Fox News on Sunday that Trump had decided to pause U.S. attacks to allow more time for diplomacy.
"He's giving talks some space, he's giving it a little bit of room," Waltz said, without providing further details.
U.S. media including CNN, the New York Times and Axios reported that Trump called off his campaign of strikes after being advised by top military and civilian aides against further escalating the war he launched alongside Israel in February.
The senior Iranian source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters: "Iran’s position remains ‘attack for attack’: if the attacks stop, Iran will also halt its operations. That message has already been conveyed to the United States."
Asked about the pause, a senior official in Trump's administration said on Saturday that the president "has always been clear that his preference is diplomacy, but he has shown Iran what will happen if they fail to come to the table in a serious way."
UBAI/WASHINGTON, July 26 (Reuters) - Iran will halt its own attacks as long as the United States maintains its latest pause on airstrikes, a senior Iranian official told Reuters on Sunday, after President Donald Trump abruptly called off his two-week-old bombing campaign.
After 13 nights of intensifying U.S. airstrikes on Iran, the Pentagon abruptly suspended the campaign late on Friday, with no U.S. attacks reported on either Saturday or Sunday.
Iran, which had been following each night of U.S. attacks with its own strikes on neighbouring countries that host U.S. bases, has also so far held fire for two days.
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Mike Waltz, told Fox News on Sunday that Trump had decided to pause U.S. attacks to allow more time for diplomacy.
"He's giving talks some space, he's giving it a little bit of room," Waltz said, without providing further details.
U.S. media including CNN, the New York Times and Axios reported that Trump called off his campaign of strikes after being advised by top military and civilian aides against further escalating the war he launched alongside Israel in February.
The senior Iranian source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters: "Iran’s position remains ‘attack for attack’: if the attacks stop, Iran will also halt its operations. That message has already been conveyed to the United States."
Asked about the pause, a senior official in Trump's administration said on Saturday that the president "has always been clear that his preference is diplomacy, but he has shown Iran what will happen if they fail to come to the table in a serious way."
Aryan_B
Elite Member
we live in a multipolar world these days.
Meengla
Elite Member
NY Times' topmost right now. Behind a paywall, so posting most of the article. Much pragmatism and caution in this article.
President Trump has set aside, at least for now, plans to sharply escalate the American military assault against Iran, with particular concern that intensifying the war could dangerously drain the Pentagon’s already diminished stockpile of Patriot antimissile interceptors and other air defense munitions in the Middle East.
The threat to interceptor stockpiles is one of many considerations that have made a return to major combat operations a hugely risky endeavor, administration officials say. Mr. Trump and his top aides are also uneasy about the prospect of a widening war in the Middle East, the alienation of key Gulf allies who are vulnerable to Iranian attack, a global economic crunch, and growing energy and refugee crises.
The latest turn in Mr. Trump’s handling of the conflict with Iran came after a meeting on Friday with top advisers and senior members of his cabinet, according to two people briefed on the discussion.
The private deliberations have focused on the Pentagon’s shrinking inventory of Patriot interceptors and other air defenses, the officials said, discussing operational matters on the condition of anonymity. Three U.S. soldiers in Jordan were killed last Friday when a ballistic missile slipped through American air defenses fending off a barrage of Iranian missiles and drones, a senior U.S. official said.
Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has cautioned privately that resuming major combat operations against Iran was doable but that it would dangerously deplete interceptors available to the military’s Central Command, which is responsible for operations in the Middle East, the officials said. A spokesman for General Caine declined to comment on advice the general gives the president.
Steven Cheung, the White House communications director, said that the president has “always been consistent in saying he prefers a diplomatic solution, but he continues to retain all options if Iran continues terrorist activities in the Strait of Hormuz or against allies.” He added that after enduring crippling sanctions and repeated strikes, “it would be wise for Iran to work towards a negotiated deal; otherwise, they know what will happen.”
Mr. Trump has been wrestling with how to proceed in his nearly five-month war against Iran and specifically with how to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, as gas prices climb again amid the resumption of hostilities over the past two weeks. Diplomacy has broken down, and the latest round of extensive U.S. attacks do not seem to have deterred Iran militarily.
Few if any in Mr. Trump’s inner circle believed the plan to escalate was wise, said the two people briefed. One senior U.S. official, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, expressed doubts that resuming major combat operations would drive Iran back to the bargaining table.
The official said the strikes have the opposite effect of what is intended, keeping Iran cohesive and allowing Iranian leaders to focus attention on an external threat.
Trump Holds Off on Major Escalation Against Iran as Advisers Raise Concerns
Among the worries is that expanded hostilities could dangerously drain the diminished stockpile of air defense munitions in the Middle East.President Trump has set aside, at least for now, plans to sharply escalate the American military assault against Iran, with particular concern that intensifying the war could dangerously drain the Pentagon’s already diminished stockpile of Patriot antimissile interceptors and other air defense munitions in the Middle East.
The threat to interceptor stockpiles is one of many considerations that have made a return to major combat operations a hugely risky endeavor, administration officials say. Mr. Trump and his top aides are also uneasy about the prospect of a widening war in the Middle East, the alienation of key Gulf allies who are vulnerable to Iranian attack, a global economic crunch, and growing energy and refugee crises.
The latest turn in Mr. Trump’s handling of the conflict with Iran came after a meeting on Friday with top advisers and senior members of his cabinet, according to two people briefed on the discussion.
The private deliberations have focused on the Pentagon’s shrinking inventory of Patriot interceptors and other air defenses, the officials said, discussing operational matters on the condition of anonymity. Three U.S. soldiers in Jordan were killed last Friday when a ballistic missile slipped through American air defenses fending off a barrage of Iranian missiles and drones, a senior U.S. official said.
Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has cautioned privately that resuming major combat operations against Iran was doable but that it would dangerously deplete interceptors available to the military’s Central Command, which is responsible for operations in the Middle East, the officials said. A spokesman for General Caine declined to comment on advice the general gives the president.
Steven Cheung, the White House communications director, said that the president has “always been consistent in saying he prefers a diplomatic solution, but he continues to retain all options if Iran continues terrorist activities in the Strait of Hormuz or against allies.” He added that after enduring crippling sanctions and repeated strikes, “it would be wise for Iran to work towards a negotiated deal; otherwise, they know what will happen.”
Mr. Trump has been wrestling with how to proceed in his nearly five-month war against Iran and specifically with how to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, as gas prices climb again amid the resumption of hostilities over the past two weeks. Diplomacy has broken down, and the latest round of extensive U.S. attacks do not seem to have deterred Iran militarily.
Few if any in Mr. Trump’s inner circle believed the plan to escalate was wise, said the two people briefed. One senior U.S. official, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, expressed doubts that resuming major combat operations would drive Iran back to the bargaining table.
The official said the strikes have the opposite effect of what is intended, keeping Iran cohesive and allowing Iranian leaders to focus attention on an external threat.
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