Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Eşbah]

siz bilirsinizmi ki IRGC/sepah ve reformist hokumat etirazlari bashlatmagh uchun pulu gizlaedib ... teghreben 1110-115 Billion USD ? ... rahbarliq ise yalniz qalmishdir

It's hard to believe. You can't just divert that amount of money from the system without literally causing the collapse of the state infrastructure.

 

[ToddE]

It's hard to believe. You can't just divert that amount of money from the system without literally causing the collapse of the state infrastructure.

So where is the money ?

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[SolarWarden]

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So, the leadership knows what's coming. Strictly from Iran's POV: Why not fire the first bullet in that case?

I just don't understand this restraint.

Wouldn't you take action first if someone armed with a gun is charging at you, fully aware that they intend to kill you?

IRI is either ready to 'absorb' the attack and move on or they are genuinely scared of the US.

Either way, doing nothing and waiting for the missiles to hit them can't be the answer. Deterrence must be re-established.

In my opinion I think they think striking first would give the US the excuse to take off the gloves. I know it's weird thinking.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Everyone respects Yemen for its aggressive preemptive strikes, fearlessly firing missiles at U.S. aircraft carriers, and agrees to ceasefire.
Meanwhile, missiles rain down relentlessly on Iran, which remains perpetually passive.
Sadly, the mullahs lack the wisdom to learn from this.

 

[Davey Crockett]

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[Pak-Warrior]

Well, this Iranian agrees with you.....a government that kills it's own people because there was Mossad in the mix in my eyes is finished. These incompetent aholes have to go!!!!!!
You cannot tell us that the 5000+ killed were Mossad, bullshit.....they killed a lot of young protesters. Protest is or should be fully legal, yet somehow thousand of Iranians are dead!
There is no answer good enough for me.......the foreign agitators should've been put down one by one....in the crowd by plain cloth operatives.....not opening machine gun fire on the citizenry. It is their incompetence that they are in the country to begin with.
It is their failure that the rial has crashed...... It is their failure that we don't have a working air defense system or an Air Force. Now. If a government fails on so many different things, I think the people have a right to ask for a change of government.
These people do not own Iran. They are elected. They were mandated to govern. The Iranian people can take that mandate away. I've said this many times: it is time to reform. It is time to get rid of this Islamic Republic and make a new government. That has some assemblance to a democracy.

Exactly!

Its pure evil to even think that whenever thousands of people come to protest then they automatically become zionist agents or terrorists. This absurd and nonsense logic gives any regime to massacre people and shutdown internet.

Nobody here explained me how come 1000s of Protestors ( Mosaad agents or terrorists according to people here ) only come out during protests ? Why they are not doing bomb blasts in markets, gov buildings, industries etc? Like how terrorists work. In Pakistan TTP is a hardcore terrorist organisation, which can never do a protest as people of Pakistan reject it but they keep doing bomb blasts in regular basis.

I can't imagine the IQ of people who considered thousands of protestors as "terrorists or zionist agents".

Again my rant does not mean I am against Iran. I want to see Iran progress and I will always support Iran in any confrontation bw Iran Vs US/Israel.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Arabs will be Arabs

Iran can make life uncomfortable for the Jordanian king by going after those fighters and have him explain why he is actively engaged in operations against Iran, a fellow Muslim country to protect Israel.

Last time, Iran did not embarrass him, maybe they should reconsider that approach now?

 

[Ali_Baba]

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So, the leadership knows what's coming. Strictly from Iran's POV: Why not fire the first bullet in that case?

I just don't understand this restraint.

Wouldn't you take action first if someone armed with a gun is charging at you, fully aware that they intend to kill you?

IRI is either ready to 'absorb' the attack and move on or they are genuinely scared of the US.

Either way, doing nothing and waiting for the missiles to hit them can't be the answer. Deterrence must be re-established.

I suspect that may be for technical reasons ? Does Iran have the surveillance capabilities to go after targets pre-emptively like fighter jets parked in airfields, or after distributed active logistic chains ? Iran does not have that level precision either to target those items either as we saw with Israel where 20-30 missiles were directed at a single airfield but very little actual damage was done. It was only later when Iran focussed on bigger static targets within the CEP of its missiles that Israel started to feel some pain that then forced both sides to quickly agree to a ceasefire.

Iran can however, exact a cost by blowing up very expensive static things that belong to the USA or the USA is dependent upon that it knows about and the act of destabilising the region itself will cost the USA and the west.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Iran can make life uncomfortable for the Jordanian king by going after those fighters and have him explain why he is actively engaged in operations against Iran, a fellow Muslim country to protect Israel.

Last time, Iran did not embarrass him, maybe they should reconsider that approach now?

Just for the sake of argument, if we assume that Jordanian king don't want to allow Israeli / US warplanes over its airspace or do things in favor of them then do you think he will remain a king? or Jordan will remain a country as its now. Jordan will become like Syria in an instant. So my point is, that every country & every leader has its own limitations and compulsions.

Secondly, Iran knows those compulsions and Iran knows it already have enemies like Israel / US, so why to ignite another front which can give excuse to many countries in region to club together against it. The root cause of the problem for Iran is not jordan, its Israel. Israel is the only country which actively 24/7, 365 days a year is committed to work against Iran directly or indirectly. Rest of countries only works out of compulsion when they are out of options. Other countries don't have enough will or stamina to conspire against Iran.

 

[Liquidator]

In my opinion I think they think striking first would give the US the excuse to take off the gloves. I know it's weird thinking.

The great Satan will go gloves off anyway.

Iran is about to loose its offensive capabilities. Iran may as well loose them with style. Israelis haven't had a firework display in a while.

I think g-ds special people deserve another one...

 

[VCheng]

Deterrence must be re-established.

And just how do you propose Iran re-establish it?

 

[VCheng]

Iran can however, exact a cost by blowing up very expensive static things that belong to the USA or the USA is dependent upon that it knows about and the act of destabilising the region itself will cost the USA and the west.

Such as?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Such as?

The Intel Fabs in Israel are worth many tens of billions of dollars as one example ? Right ?

The economic value of the loss will hurt, but the loss of manufacturing capabilities will also hurt supply line and manufacturing in the USA that is dependent on those chips. If the Americans are happy to go after economic targets in Iran like oil, and oil shipments, then why not reply in kind also ?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Just for the sake of argument, if we assume that Jordanian king don't want to allow Israeli / US warplanes over its airspace or do things in favor of them then do you think he will remain a king? or Jordan will remain a country as its now. Jordan will become like Syria in an instant. So my point is, that every country & every leader has its own limitations and compulsions.

The Saudi's have said no, the Qataris have said no. Many countries have said no. What makes the Jordian king so spineless that he can't say no to be part of attacking Iran ? I reject your assertion that he can be disposed or Jordan can become like Syria.

Secondly, Iran knows those compulsions and Iran knows it already have enemies like Israel / US, so why to ignite another front which can give excuse to many countries in region to club together against it. The root cause of the problem for Iran is not jordan, its Israel. Israel is the only country which actively 24/7, 365 days a year is committed to work against Iran directly or indirectly. Rest of countries only works out of compulsion when they are out of options. Other countries don't have enough will or stamina to conspire against Iran.

What I am saying is that in the same way Iran went after USA targets in Qatar, it should go after them in Jordan. Iran has just cause given that they are actively being used in operations. The Jordanians and the King "will understand the compulsions of Iran in attacking bases that are being used against Iran".

 

[Ali_Baba]

The great Satan will go gloves off anyway.

Iran is about to loose its offensive capabilities. Iran may as well loose them with style. Israelis haven't had a firework display in a while.

I think g-ds special people deserve another one...

Yes - the Americans are not going to hold back at all.