Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kobra]

gold price is not related to Iran

Everything major is somehow related to each other.

 

[Immortals]

they are in good spirits and not afraid to meet in the open with the entire leadership of both groups to show a united front

Yeah, like I said they still haven’t learned a damn thing from 10 years of assassinations. A single B-2 could have flown in and leveled the entire meeting spot.

We all know Mossad and CIA had prior knowledge of this meeting because Iran’s sec ops is non existent.

 

[kobra]

 

[Immortals]

More propaganda. If this was true why did Iran immediately accept the ceasefire? Why did they not attack Israeli nuclear facilities under this so called “new leadership”? Why did they barely respond to US bombing Fordow?

This military just sits staging war game after war game attacking fake Israeli targets or a fake aircraft carrier. When reality shows up they somehow always show “strategic restraint”.

 

[Bharatah]

That's all zionist fake news. Nobody creates a military strategy and reveals it publicly. This is just a classic hybrid warfare strategy(For this reason, Reuters had said 8 days ago that Iran would be invaded within 24 hours...). To overthrow the Iranian government, there are only two ways:

1- Bribery (and then no militarism is needed)
2- Conventional war, with 300,000 to 500,000 soldiers, and that would last 20 to 30 years.

 

[Immortals]

Trump is the worst liar. The attack was coming before the protests even got started.

Iran’s threats aren’t going to scare him. He killed Solemani and they didn’t do anything. He bombed Fordow they didn’t do anything.

Trump doesn’t respect weak men. He respects Putin, Xi, and Rocket Boy.

 

[Eşbah]

The issue at hand is that for the Americans, any result is seen as a strategic victory. Whether there is a change in regime or not, Iran is likely to suffer because both Israel and the US will prevent them from regaining stability, let alone the strength and power to shape the region according to their own interests.

Alternatively, if they choose to attack Iran without instigating a regime change, they will ensure that every aspect of Iran's defense and missile production capabilities is completely destroyed. What will be left is a diminished and weakened Iran, easily susceptible to further bombings as they see fit.

What is IRI's plan here? To endure the attack and only respond in a limited way? Or are they going in full throttle? Or do you think that IRI is biding its time to gauge the scale of the US attack and respond accordingly?

huge and rare gathering of entire IRGC and Artesh leadership

they are in good spirits and not afraid to meet in the open with the entire leadership of both groups to show a united front

 

[Immortals]

The issue at hand is that for the Americans, any result is seen as a strategic victory. Whether there is a change in regime or not, Iran is likely to suffer because both Israel and the US will prevent them from regaining stability, let alone the strength and power to shape the region according to their own interests.

They already said that. Any attempt by Iran to reconstitute would be met with further attacks.

Iran has terrible security operations and spies throughout the country and leadership. Compare this to Yemen that is much better at keeping information hidden.

Alternatively, if they choose to attack Iran without instigating a regime change, they will ensure that every aspect of Iran's defense and missile production capabilities is completely destroyed. What will be left is a diminished and weakened Iran, easily susceptible to further bombings as they see fit.

Yes this is called “mowing the grass” and it’s what caused Iraq to become a failed state from 1993-2003.

What is IRI's plan here? To endure the attack and only respond in a limited way? Or are they going in full throttle? Or do you think that IRI is biding its time to gauge the scale of the US attack and respond accordingly?

Whether they respond little or go all out, the fact is a war against America is not “winnable”.

You are comparing one nation that 3000+ warplanes and spends $1T dollars a year vs a nation that is economically crippled and is still relying on Shah era airforce and 5000-10000 missiles of varying ranges. They don’t have 5000-10000 TELS so they have to protect their launchers.

It’s going to be a war of attrition at best for Iran and hope that Trump gets scared losing voters going into mid-terms in November and offers Iran a deal. But that also means Iran has to survive for 6 months getting bombed repeatedly.

 

[Persian Gulf]

More propaganda. If this was true why did Iran immediately accept the ceasefire? Why did they not attack Israeli nuclear facilities under this so called “new leadership”? Why did they barely respond to US bombing Fordow?

This military just sits staging war game after war game attacking fake Israeli targets or a fake aircraft carrier. When reality shows up they somehow always show “strategic restraint”.

new commanders appointed mid war continue old plans, they don't have time to make new plans

 

[Watandar]

I don't think any attack is happening despite the US buildup. The math about missiles v interceptors is still not in the favor of US/Israel. I think it's more Trump ensuring that Iran doesn't execute any "protestors" it has detained and thereby keep his promise of "help is on the way".

 

[Eşbah]

I don't think any attack is happening despite the US buildup. The math about missiles v interceptors is still not in the favor of US/Israel. I think it's more Trump ensuring that Iran doesn't execute any "protestors" it has detained and thereby keep his promise of "help is on the way".

Indeed, there are valid arguments against an imminent attack on Iran, but, brother, please, the number of executed Iranians is not a part of this reasoning at all. Do you really think they actually care about 800 dead Iranians when they killed almost a hundred Iranians on average per day just a couple months ago?

 

[Bharatah]

I don't think any attack is happening despite the US buildup. The math about missiles v interceptors is still not in the favor of US/Israel. I think it's more Trump ensuring that Iran doesn't execute any "protestors" it has detained and thereby keep his promise of "help is on the way".

My friend, you're repeating the narrative of a media bubble that has been refuted a long time ago. There hasn't been any kind of "protest" in Iran for more than 5 or 6 days; Mossad and CIA agents have already been arrested and others killed. There are no "protests" resulting in deaths, only foreign agents. The Color Revolution was created by the CIA and Mossad to try to create a justification for war along with local terrorists armed by the CIA and Mossad, but it all failed. Iran cut off satellite communication and everything was lost. "Protests" now only exist in the Zionist media.

 

[Watandar]

Indeed, there are valid arguments against an imminent attack on Iran, but, brother, please, the number of executed Iranians is not a part of this reasoning at all. Do you really think they actually care about 800 dead Iranians when they killed almost a hundred Iranians on average per day just a couple months ago?

No I don't think the US cares for the average Iranian, just like it cares nothing for average Iraqi or Afghan or Palestinian or Venezuelan. Trump had said "help is on the way" and needed to demonstrate it in some way.

Trump wants a quick, decisive hit that will totally change the situation, like in Venezuela. So far his team is split on whether that is possible in Iran. That uncertainty plus the missile interceptor math is keeping the US on a leash.

They can still try assassinations or seizing oil tankers.

 

[mangekyo]

No I don't think the US cares for the average Iranian, just like it cares nothing for average Iraqi or Afghan or Palestinian or Venezuelan. Trump had said "help is on the way" and needed to demonstrate it in some way.

Trump wants a quick, decisive hit that will totally change the situation, like in Venezuela. So far his team is split on whether that is possible in Iran. That uncertainty plus the missile interceptor math is keeping the US on a leash.

They can still try assassinations or seizing oil tankers.

why did they evacuate from bases in the region and why continue sending in new weapons and planes? Its not free. I don’t believe he is wasting all that money only to flex. They are cooking something

 

[Bharatah]

why did they evacuate from bases in the region and why continue sending in new weapons and planes? Its not free. I don’t believe he is wasting all that money only to flex. They are cooking something

This is part of a hybrid warfare strategy, not a conventional attack. A conventional attack has to be like the one in Iraq in 2003 or Vietnam in the 50s/60s; it requires a completely different level of preparation.