Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

it says in the event of mass causalities, they will nuK* the adversary

Yes that will make sure Iranians know that trump wasnt really there to save them but to destroy them for Israel.

 

[Shags101]

did, it says, we will tax you for environmental damage!

I had to go back to read your messages
But that’s what popped first…….just saying
But I actually did like reading the war games piece

 

[Meengla]

It is possible he received a signal from some of his handlers that another batch of Epstein files is about to be dropped. Trump could be releasing these tough talks against Iran fo please Netanyahu and his ilk. It looks like Trump will be a push around for his handlers in the next 3 years. He must be regretting the day he ran for office!

As I have repeatedly said in this thread: Netanyahu is not going to stop neutralizing Iran as long as Trump is the President!!! I had paid attention to what the Israel-firsters in America and what the Israelis themselves were rooting for in the 2024 elections and it was unmistakable what they wanted: A President Trump over a President Harris. Even the usually liberal Jews in America, who after four decades, voted the least for the Democratic Party in the 2024 elections.
What you are seeing in the Middle East is because Israel's own man is in the White House with a level of support which surpassed even Biden's support.

I am surprised no one posted this here. Reuters is generally a credible source. God help us all if there is a frontal war!! The front page of Reuters:

 

[Meengla]

Still....if you were to study Trump, he will insist on a quick action, not a prolonged conflict.
I still think this is bluster.
If I'm wrong....his administration will be finished in the US.
When the economy gets rocked.....MAGA will be done.
I just hope Iran is planning, and planning with China and Russia to turn this into a Vietnam for him.

If rookies like us here know what you said above then the Iranians too know. But the problem is that this is not America's war: It is Israel's war and for the Israeli interests. While every American President since 1967 had supported Israel, the level of support by Biden and now Trump is unprecendent. This would NOT be happening if today Trump dies of a heart attack and Vance become the President. You can bookmark this. Which brings me to my main point: The so-called American vaunted checks and balances are in tatters as one man--just one man and his personal biases are leading to huge decisions affecting tens of millions of people.
What we have in the White House is another Hitler but a senile Hitler.

If they can't then they better just fold the cards and give it up.
They need to talk about this....it's either a slow death or going out with a blaze of glory.......the 2nd option is actually better for Iran, but they need to go all out.....no half measures. They need to shock the energy market, not just mine the Strait. They need to think about UAE's gas terminal and pipeline. Don't even bother with the empty US bases.....go for Israel and the Israeli outpost....that's it.

If Iran doesn't resist now then it will be another nation to be fragmented and bombed by Israel at will. Netanyahu wants nothing less than that for Iran.

 

[Meengla]

To re-emphasize: As long as Netanyahu is the PM of Israel and as long as Trump is the POTUS, the threat of a frontal, devastating war on Iran will remain. On that , we have about three more years of Trump and I don't know how long more the world has to suffer Netanyahu: He has more than the 9 proverbial lives. Things don't look good at all for tens of millions of people with the current combination of leaders in Tel Aviv and Washington.

But as far as I can tell, a frontal attack on Iran will be devastating for America's regional interests along with Trump's political standing in America, and quite likely really bad for Israel itself.

 

[Persian Gulf]

US is ramping us psychological warfare as Trump views such military threats as part of his negotiating strategy

 

[Meengla]

US is ramping us psychological warfare as Trump views such military threats as part of his negotiating strategy

Indeed.
But as I said above, if rookies like us know, then the Iranian officials must know that too.
Trump is a bully who has gotten away with pressurising Colombia, Venezuela, the EU, India and several other nations to get concessions from them. But here what he is asking of Iran is impossible for Iran to give: Iran's ballistic missiles system.
I wonder what Netanyahu whispered into Trump's reluctant ears when Netanyahu came to Washington just a day or two ago?!!

 

[StrategicBear]

Trump may be a bully, but here we don't entertain the thought of accommodating him because we're in the business of overthrowing White Supremacy off the face of this Earth, and Trump and USA's fall is the first step towards this goal of ours.

Trump should prepare to lick Khamenei's shoe and bark like a dog, "Woof".

 

[HAIDER]

Trump may be a bully, but here we don't entertain the thought of accommodating him because we're in the business of overthrowing White Supremacy off the face of this Earth, and Trump and USA's fall is the first step towards this goal of ours.

Trump should prepare to lick Khamenei's shoe and bark like a dog, "Woof".

Trump is bluff master but his leash in Epstein file .

 

[Meengla]

Trump may be a bully, but here we don't entertain the thought of accommodating him because we're in the business of overthrowing White Supremacy off the face of this Earth, and Trump and USA's fall is the first step towards this goal of ours.
Trump should prepare to lick Khamenei's shoe and bark like a dog, "Woof".

Care to elaborate, please? It's late night where I am so plain speaking for the tired minds like mine much appreciated.

 

[mulj]

they understand it won't be like Venezuela

Ok, they will bomb Iran weeks long then what if Iran still retains its capability to fire his own missiles?
If this happens Iran has no other choice then to burn everything around itself.

 

[SolarWarden]

Ok, they will bomb Iran weeks long then what if Iran still retains its capability to fire his own missiles?
If this happens Iran has no other choice then to burn everything around itself.

How? The IAF is nowhere near as capable in sustaining air operations and having air supremacy over Iran airspace unlike the US. IAF was able to penetrate Iran airspace at will bombing whatever targets but they had no staying capability yet if you remember IAF was able to degrade IRGC missile capability that by the end of the war they were launching around a dozen a day. USAF and USN once over Iranian airspace they are going to stay making it very difficult for the missile launchers that survived the first 48 hours of the air campaign under heavy EW to coordinate any missile launch. It is going to be total electronic blackout over Iran a capability the IDF didn't have.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

How? The IAF is nowhere near as capable in sustaining air operations and having air supremacy over Iran airspace unlike the US. IAF was able to penetrate Iran airspace at will bombing whatever targets but they had no staying capability yet if you remember IAF was able to degrade IRGC missile capability that by the end of the war they were launching around a dozen a day. USAF and USN once over Iranian airspace they are going to stay making it very difficult for the missile launchers that survived the first 48 hours of the air campaign under heavy EW to coordinate any missile launch. It is going to be total electronic blackout over Iran a capability the IDF didn't have.

USAF & Israeli airforce will have complete air dominance over Iran. That's for sure. I don't understand why its difficult to accept for some people. It was already demonstrated by Israel in the 12 day war.

 

[muhammed45]

How? The IAF is nowhere near as capable in sustaining air operations and having air supremacy over Iran airspace unlike the US. IAF was able to penetrate Iran airspace at will bombing whatever targets but they had no staying capability yet if you remember IAF was able to degrade IRGC missile capability that by the end of the war they were launching around a dozen a day. USAF and USN once over Iranian airspace they are going to stay making it very difficult for the missile launchers that survived the first 48 hours of the air campaign under heavy EW to coordinate any missile launch. It is going to be total electronic blackout over Iran a capability the IDF didn't have.

Israeli attack on Iran had the factor of being surprised. IAF did not bring in fighter jets, instead, they used drones and standoff weapons such as air launched ballistic missiles.

It was a sudden attack assisted by internal saboteurs inside Iran. Almost 90% of damage was done by small drones that hit radars, missile launchers and other critical assets.

USN's ACs are not a major threat, main problem is fixed bases in countries around Iran such as Iraq, Qatar, Turkey, KSA and Jordan specially.

ACs are the most vulnerable assets of USN and USN won't benefit from advantages of surprise attack.

Everything depends on Iran's A2/AD capability and the denial range. The forward base ships will be deployed to entrance of Indian ocean armed with anti ship ballistic missiles, fast attack boats, cruise missile launchers, drones and air defense systems plus the anti submarine small boats. They will be protected by IRGCN's Soleimani class frigates armed with airdefense systems.

Before even reaching Arabian sea, ballistic missiles will rain over American carrier groups from forward base ships.

Nearly 4-6 Fateh class submarines will monitor the entrance and deny USN with its long range Tomahawk CMs.

USN cannot be kept outside Persian Gulf for too long but before the first line of defense breaks apart, IRGCN and IRIN will be prepared to bomb infiltrating assets of USN.

If the war takes place, it will not be a short time engagement. Until death of each and every American soldiers within the range of Iranian missiles, the war will continue.

Easiest and most effective target is US forces deployed to Kuwait. Expect thousands of KIA in that country.

Main targets and most important ones are Israel, Jordan, Kuwait and Qatar. Others are negligible.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Trump may be a bully, but here we don't entertain the thought of accommodating him because we're in the business of overthrowing White Supremacy off the face of this Earth, and Trump and USA's fall is the first step towards this goal of ours.

Unfortunately, so far they are still succeeding. Still imposing their hegemony. Yes Trump is bully and he is delivering. He just gave United States the world's largest oil reserves. After kidnapping Venezuela president the now govt setup in Venezuela is merely a puppets, they are directly in control of US. Trump has made a deal with india to sell them Venezuelan oil. Trump is asking China to come and buy Venezuelan oil. Because now 99% of profits goes to the US. Now venezuelan oil (World's largest oil reserves) are now basically american. Now just think how many decades or even centuries it can serve the US interests and add more time to US hegemony. So, they are still succeeding.

I have a bad feeling about their plans for Iran too. Iran cannot match US war machine. However, Iran can make the cost of war high for americans only if Iran don't let the americans strike first. If Iran acts as a good boy, hoping Trump will not attack and suddenly we hear breaking news that US forces have launched attack then the very first target will be Iran's missile launchers. They may not destroy all launchers in first go but many will be wasted before being used. Whoever attacks first do the maximum damage. IMO, Iran should consider deployment of forces and carrier groups at its door step as declaration of war. Preparation & deployment is first major warfare stage. Strike when you still can. I was against this option earlier as it would guarantee the war but now i feel when US is bringing second carrier group that means US has decided to go into war. Deploying carrier group requires extreme resources. They are not doing this just to show off. They are doing full offensive preparations.