Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

Khamenei would never allow such a deal. He is fighting an ideological war. All he needs to do is survive a couple more years. He will go down in history as he who resisted the western empire his entire life and never bowed down even once. He is not going to throw his legacy away this close to his death.

What legacy? He will go down as one of the worst leaders in all human history. He sank Iran's economy, throw away all regional influence, banned nukes, and curtailed missile development in exchange for the most worthless currency on earth and direct war on Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

What legacy? He will go down as one of the worst leaders in all human history. He sank Iran's economy, throw away all regional influence, banned nukes, and curtailed missile development in exchange for the most worthless currency on earth and direct war on Iran.

Those are worldly things. Not important to Khamenei. They failed to break his spirit. He resisted until the end. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just trying to see things from his perspective.

 

[StrategicBear]

I hope Iran sinks dozens of USN ships of all types. Destroy those Crusaders and make those evil white people leave the Middle East. It's our Muslim Version of "Reconquista" now called Istirdad (استرداد) .

I really hate those damn White Imperialist Colonizer scum thinking they rule the planet with impunity, so it will really make me very happy to see lots of them white soldiers and sailors be eliminated and be gone from the Middle East, making it a joyful Ramadan if it happens.

 

[TallGuy]

Doesn’t seem like Iran is willing to accept Trump’s “deal”. Neither side looks to be willing to budge.

Situation really does not look good! too much of military have been moved in the theatre - that could amount to some serious heavy air campaign.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Of course they are. The actual true-believers who genuinely believed in resistance like Soleimani were purged. What’s left is mostly
a bunch of pretenders who finance their kids lavish lifestyles in the west with sanctions busting money. I do not believe the coup will go as they have planned. US/Israel will backstab them. I think what they have planned for Iran is unfortunately balkanization.

if thats the case, those protests would have long ago resulted in a coup!

I think, this will only be a short term war, a warning for IR.

USA will focusing on destroying infrastructure, so economic woes would collapse the IR regime.

 

[mangekyo]

if thats the case, those protests would have long ago resulted in a coup!

I think, this will only be a short term war, a warning for IR.

USA will focusing on destroying infrastructure, so economic woes would collapse the IR regime.

Not necessarily. It makes total sense to get rid of Mossad elements if the true goal is Balkanization. It also makes sense to get rid of Mossad elements if the goal is a reformist led coup.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Not necessarily. It makes total sense to get rid of Mossad elements if the true goal is Balkanization. It also makes sense to get rid of Mossad elements of the goal is a reformist led coup.

very true, but, please note

had there no protests, there would have been no inclination or rather no knowledge of, such agents!

so, protests goes both ways for IR!

in fact, favor more, as I see it

 

[PakistanLVR]

Pakistan PM kissing Trump’s ass….no honor in this man

That Pakistan PM (mouthpiece of the establishment) has kept your country intact so far. Your own parliament were singing their praises not too long ago.

Instead of worrying about that PM, might go and find the sellouts amongst your own people starting from the top who have given away all leverage, including the nuclear reactor plans/blueprints that Pakistan provided to you for your own safety/security.

With honor like Khamenai, I'd rather Pakistan leaders are wily as foxes. Your brand of honor has placed you in incredibly perils with no allies, no nuclear weapons, proxy groups tattered and destroyed across the region.

Irony that an Iranian is talking about honor while making every backroom deal to escape war.

 

[mangekyo]

very true, but, please note

had there no protests, there would have been no inclination or rather no knowledge of, such agents!

so, protests goes both ways for IR!

in fact, favor more, as I see it

The way I see it the protests helped purge the Mossad elements. It exposed the monarchists as a Zionist movement. Everyone’s auntie and grandma in Iran knows the monarchist movement is now a Zionist project. They have little legitimacy left. They also believe IRIs current power structure slaughtered thousands of civilians. Wether it’s true or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what they believe. Looking at it this way, they coup is going as planned. There are still some elements left that need to be purged. This is what the war will achieve.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Those are worldly things. Not important to Khamenei. They failed to break his spirit. He resisted until the end. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just trying to see things from his perspective.

But he didn't resist at all, he signed JCPOA and is engaging in negotiations with Trump as we speak. He only resisted when forced during the 12 day war and signed a ceasefire as soon as he could.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The way I see it the protests helped purge the Mossad elements. It exposed the monarchists as a Zionist movement. Everyone’s auntie and grandma in Iran knows the monarchist movement is now a Zionist project. They have little legitimacy left. They also believe IRIs current power structure slaughtered thousands of civilians. Wether it’s true or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what they believe. Looking at it this way, they coup is going as planned. There are still some elements left that need to be purged. This is what the war will achieve.

how is the water situation in IR cities now and for the summers? and would IR crop output would change due to this drought?

Pak. is extemely susceptible to crop output changes, if wate shortages persist, does it happen in your country as well?

 

[ShapurII]

But he didn't resist at all, he signed JCPOA and is engaging in negotiations with Trump as we speak. He only resisted when forced during the 12 day war and signed a ceasefire as soon as he could.

هم جنگ شد، هم به گوه خوردن افتادن و با خفت و ذلت مذاکره کردن با ترامپ

 

[tsunset]

That Pakistan PM (mouthpiece of the establishment) has kept your country intact so far. Your own parliament were singing their praises not too long ago.

Instead of worrying about that PM, might go and find the sellouts amongst your own people starting from the top who have given away all leverage, including the nuclear reactor plans/blueprints that Pakistan provided to you for your own safety/security.

With honor like Khamenai, I'd rather Pakistan leaders are wily as foxes. Your brand of honor has placed you in incredibly perils with no allies, no nuclear weapons, proxy groups tattered and destroyed across the region.

Irony that an Iranian is talking about honor while making every backroom deal to escape war.

But just explain to us how is Trump the savior of south Asia after all the wars and genocides he funded to cause havoc in the region for his personal interests and those of Jews?

 

[Watandar]

Pakistan PM kissing Trump’s ass….no honor in this man

Sadly I have to agree and it's even more humiliating that he flew across oceans just for this. He had no other role at this meeting.

 

[ShapurII]

That Pakistan PM (mouthpiece of the establishment) has kept your country intact so far. Your own parliament were singing their praises not too long ago.

Instead of worrying about that PM, might go and find the sellouts amongst your own people starting from the top who have given away all leverage, including the nuclear reactor plans/blueprints that Pakistan provided to you for your own safety/security.

With honor like Khamenai, I'd rather Pakistan leaders are wily as foxes. Your brand of honor has placed you in incredibly perils with no allies, no nuclear weapons, proxy groups tattered and destroyed across the region.

Irony that an Iranian is talking about honor while making every backroom deal to escape war.

Please do not take his words seriously.
The Pakistani PM is doing what is best for Pakistan. That's what every patriotic politician would do.
Our politicians are willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of Iranians over an issue that has zero relevance to us: Palestine and Israel.