Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

The parliament wasn't "a** licking" Pakistan, it was thanking one of the only country that respects Iran's right to have nuclear infrastructure and nuclear weapons, its called mutual respect, not some random bootlicking with no reasons

But what exactly did Trump do in south and west Asia to be called a "savior"?

They funded militarily, politically a genocide, threatened to kill everyone and nuke Gaza, waged useless wars with false motives, threatening to invade a sovereign country and plunder it, call for the genocide of muslims, kidnap a president, all of that while being a pedophile, is this what Pakistan FM call a "savior"?

If their plans succeed, Pakistan will be next, they will follow the same playbook, tell people that Pakistan funds terrorist and is about to give nukes to terrorists and if we don't disarm these bad evil guys right now the planet will explode

They don't care of Pakistan, they see you as slaves just like Indians, they see the whole region as desertic slaves subhuman scum that is only good to give us free money and -95% discount oil and gas and build our warships for free, nothing else, this is the difference with Iran in how they treat Pakistan and regional powers
 
hasssanali8998 said:
i am afraid they will target the holy shrines
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USA is usually different to Israel with military strategy

they will not just slaughter thousands of civilians in one day

not to say they don't accept heavy collateral damage, but their threshold is much higher than Israeli Nazis, who go to bed dreaming of how to kill more children

Trump's attack against Fordow and Natanz didn't kill any Iranians and he called off a response to Iran downing MQ-4C in 2019 (?) because it would have killed too many people
 
BigMela2onin said:
Not at all, I criticize the government for seeking a fight with the west and then proceeding to ban nukes, limit missile ranges, abandon their proxies, and give up repeatedly every time they faced kinetic resistance. Why did they insist on the the fight if they seem like they never wanted one?
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I will be honest

It's because Iranians are proud, and have a great history, Iran at different times in history has been a dominant empire multiple times

The idea of bowing your head to Zionists and dickheads from the west was not something Iran wanted to do

At the same time Iran suffered from the machinations of colonial states for over 100 years

It was never occupied the same as others but suffered nevertheless




Iran made a stand, stood up for itself, was vocal about it's status in the world and refused to bow

This is why Iran has been targeted for over 40 years now



The fact that Iran has survived is because of its oil and gas and the tenacity of its people and military and government


The odds were ALWAYS against you, and again the fact that you have survived this long is a miracle





What I would say is the WORLD IS CHANGING
Europe is fading
The cracks in the U.S are showing and Israel and the Jews have many consequences for their actions


Their is light somewhere at the end of the tunnel, but Iran has to get through the tunnel


I concede the Iranian government may have made many mistakes
But others decisions were simply forced upon Iran or Iran had no option to move forward




Iranians have a choice, do you give up now or do you keep fighting

Either way the consequences will be harsh, giving up may harm Iran in the long run and Iran may never recover, the aim of the Zionists will be to ensure Iran never rises again


But if you fight, Iran will suffer, but if it can make it through the fight and harm it's enemies, retain it's values and strength, then Iran will deserve the place it has carved out in this world for not bowing when others fell so easily




For all the talk of U.S build up, Iran is still a LARGE NATION with a large military and it has many options up it's sleeve and it just needs to hold on and make life painful for it's enemies
 
Persian Gulf said:
USA is usually different to Israel with military strategy

they will not just slaughter thousands of civilians in one day

not to say they don't accept heavy collateral damage, but their threshold is much higher than Israeli Nazis, who go to bed dreaming of how to kill more children

Trump's attack against Fordow and Natanz didn't kill any Iranians and he called off a response to Iran downing MQ-4C in 2019 (?) because it would have killed too many people
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That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.
 
ShapurII said:
That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.
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Now I'm reading news articles saying that trump wants to carry out limited attack. It seems again he wants to control escalation ladder instead of a full war.
Iran should not play in their game, Iran needs to escalate.
 
ShapurII said:
That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.
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it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
Now I'm reading news articles saying that trump wants to carry out limited attack. It seems again he wants to control escalation ladder instead of a full war.
Iran should not play in their game, Iran needs to escalate.
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Yes, that would be his first choice: limited strikes against Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile sites with zero casualties for the United States. It will be a face saving measure for him after bringing all that armada to Iran's borders, and some people inside the Iranian system may welcome that option as it means the regime will survive. But in the broader picture, that's a terrible outcome for Iran as it will normalize regular attacks on Iran with no justification and will hasten the economic collapse of our country, leading to more internal security issues. And we will be forced to negotiate with the US in a much weaker position next time.

Persian Gulf said:
it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.
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All of this would've been prevented if Iran had developed nuclear weapons after the JCPOA failed. Assassination of Gen. Soleimani started a chain reaction that led to this stage. To be fair, except for a few people here, we all knew it would get to this point eventually.

The thing is that there is no scenario where this system can survive in the next 5 years as it is currently. Something's gotta give, as you said. The only question that is unanswered at this point is how this transition will happen. Whether it will happen smoothly with internal backing, or whether it will happen with military force or civil war.
 
Persian Gulf said:
it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.
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problem is, that would result in, strikes in unwanted Islamic places, which house certain type of radars
 
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The true triumph of psychological warfare for the Americans and Israelis is the illusion they successfully sold to the diaspora members who cling to the wishful idea of a new, democratic, secular Iran under Pahlavi supported and nurtured by Washington and Israel.

Once IRI falls, Pahlavi will be relegated to the annals of history. I find it incomprehensible that these individuals think the US/Israel combo will willingly hand over the keys to Iran.

One reason why there's no agreement between Iran and the US is because there's nothing to agree on. The American don't want regime change, they want a smaller Iran...

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