Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasssanali8998]

if we don't disarm these bad evil guys right now the planet will explode

here's the neat part they cant

 

[hussain0216]

Not at all, I criticize the government for seeking a fight with the west and then proceeding to ban nukes, limit missile ranges, abandon their proxies, and give up repeatedly every time they faced kinetic resistance. Why did they insist on the the fight if they seem like they never wanted one?

I will be honest

It's because Iranians are proud, and have a great history, Iran at different times in history has been a dominant empire multiple times

The idea of bowing your head to Zionists and dickheads from the west was not something Iran wanted to do

At the same time Iran suffered from the machinations of colonial states for over 100 years

It was never occupied the same as others but suffered nevertheless




Iran made a stand, stood up for itself, was vocal about it's status in the world and refused to bow

This is why Iran has been targeted for over 40 years now



The fact that Iran has survived is because of its oil and gas and the tenacity of its people and military and government


The odds were ALWAYS against you, and again the fact that you have survived this long is a miracle





What I would say is the WORLD IS CHANGING
Europe is fading
The cracks in the U.S are showing and Israel and the Jews have many consequences for their actions


Their is light somewhere at the end of the tunnel, but Iran has to get through the tunnel


I concede the Iranian government may have made many mistakes
But others decisions were simply forced upon Iran or Iran had no option to move forward




Iranians have a choice, do you give up now or do you keep fighting

Either way the consequences will be harsh, giving up may harm Iran in the long run and Iran may never recover, the aim of the Zionists will be to ensure Iran never rises again


But if you fight, Iran will suffer, but if it can make it through the fight and harm it's enemies, retain it's values and strength, then Iran will deserve the place it has carved out in this world for not bowing when others fell so easily




For all the talk of U.S build up, Iran is still a LARGE NATION with a large military and it has many options up it's sleeve and it just needs to hold on and make life painful for it's enemies

 

[ShapurII]

USA is usually different to Israel with military strategy

they will not just slaughter thousands of civilians in one day

not to say they don't accept heavy collateral damage, but their threshold is much higher than Israeli Nazis, who go to bed dreaming of how to kill more children

Trump's attack against Fordow and Natanz didn't kill any Iranians and he called off a response to Iran downing MQ-4C in 2019 (?) because it would have killed too many people

That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.

Now I'm reading news articles saying that trump wants to carry out limited attack. It seems again he wants to control escalation ladder instead of a full war.
Iran should not play in their game, Iran needs to escalate.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That's before he wanted all-out war with Iran.
Trust me, Trump in 2026 is nothing like what he said in 2019.
They do want this war with Iran. They have planned for it and feel they have a real chance to get what they want with minimal cost.

it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.

 

[ShapurII]

Now I'm reading news articles saying that trump wants to carry out limited attack. It seems again he wants to control escalation ladder instead of a full war.
Iran should not play in their game, Iran needs to escalate.

Yes, that would be his first choice: limited strikes against Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile sites with zero casualties for the United States. It will be a face saving measure for him after bringing all that armada to Iran's borders, and some people inside the Iranian system may welcome that option as it means the regime will survive. But in the broader picture, that's a terrible outcome for Iran as it will normalize regular attacks on Iran with no justification and will hasten the economic collapse of our country, leading to more internal security issues. And we will be forced to negotiate with the US in a much weaker position next time.

it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.

All of this would've been prevented if Iran had developed nuclear weapons after the JCPOA failed. Assassination of Gen. Soleimani started a chain reaction that led to this stage. To be fair, except for a few people here, we all knew it would get to this point eventually.

The thing is that there is no scenario where this system can survive in the next 5 years as it is currently. Something's gotta give, as you said. The only question that is unanswered at this point is how this transition will happen. Whether it will happen smoothly with internal backing, or whether it will happen with military force or civil war.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

it is the IRI's fault for giving Trump so much confidence

Trump broke every red line twice and both times Iran's response was weak

and Iran was embarrassed by Israel in June

so now Trump thinks he can push it even further and achieve even more things without incurring much costs

the onus is on the IRI to change his calculus

but stupid shit like Mousavi coming out and saying 'oh we have a new offensive military strategy now so we might attack first and quickly' is not going to pass the smell test. and god help us if the military commanders truly believed we won the 12 day war.

problem is, that would result in, strikes in unwanted Islamic places, which house certain type of radars

 

[mangekyo]

 

[Eşbah]

The true triumph of psychological warfare for the Americans and Israelis is the illusion they successfully sold to the diaspora members who cling to the wishful idea of a new, democratic, secular Iran under Pahlavi supported and nurtured by Washington and Israel.

Once IRI falls, Pahlavi will be relegated to the annals of history. I find it incomprehensible that these individuals think the US/Israel combo will willingly hand over the keys to Iran.

One reason why there's no agreement between Iran and the US is because there's nothing to agree on. The American don't want regime change, they want a smaller Iran...

 

[Bahrami]

Unconfirmed. F4 crashed?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Unconfirmed. F4 crashed?

nope unfortunately its confirmed

 

[SolarWarden]

Whatever is leaking is the exact opposite of US battle plans.

If Trump orders a strike he is going to go big and brag to the world, which means the biggest air strikes on a country since Vietnam.

The initial Iranian deaths in the first 48 hours could exceed 10,000 lives. Hitting Iranian security apparatus, barracks, military bases, and leadership centers. Then expanding to power generation plants and energy sites.

The goal would be complete capitulation via massive [aerial] destruction.

Putin may have an incentive to help Iran
covertly and payback the US for helping Ukraine. This is Putin’s chance to get even without providing any overt support.

Iranian leadership is not in the mood to negotiate and accept Trump’s Surrender Terms.

Iranian infrastructure will not be bombed it would be counter productive to the "anti regime forces" that will supposedly take over. They'll likely bomb/cut the wires which can easily be repaired once the bombing stops.

 

[mangekyo]

More and more news about American planes in saudi

 

[ShapurII]

Iranian infrastructure will not be bombed it would be counter productive to the "anti regime forces" that will supposedly take over. They'll likely bomb/cut the wires which can easily be repaired once the bombing stops.

What makes you so sure that Trump wants "anti-regime forces" to take over?
And what wires are you talking about exactly?

 

[hasssanali8998]

What makes you so sure that Trump wants "anti-regime forces" to take over?
And what wires are you talking about exactly?

exaclty their plan has always been to balkanise iran