Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

I think Turkey and Pakistan will be the next ones to begin feeling the heat. Turkish long term vision for the Mideast is in competition with Israel's and Pakistani nukes/missiles will never be tolerable or acceptable to Israel or the West. It will be a long game though, played over the next 20 years.

I don't think West or Israel will act against their collaborators the Saudis, Egyptians etc.

How is Turkey NOT a "collaborator" like Egyptians and Saudis?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

War on Iran Is the Opposite of ‘Realism’

Don’t do it, Mr. President.

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War on Iran Is the Opposite of ‘Realism’​

He was doing exactly what your far right conservative told him to do by take on China first.

However, he is getting chokehold by China in everything, especially the rare earth.

Now he is trying to chokehold China's oil supply line by taking on Venezuela, then Iran.

Good luck with that, China will not let this opportunity to slip away, and make sure this invasion will be turned into a far bigger fiasco than both Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

 

[925boy]

Except for civilian deaths and family members, I’m not worried about the outcome of the war. Worrying implies that there is at least a small chance we can beat the enemy. What I’m actually worried about is what they have planned for post-war Iran. Wether it’s civil war, balkanization, installing pahlavi, or a coup by IRGC+ reformists.

IRGC + reformists coup that leads to a pro-western government and full sanctions lifting is wishful thinking, but they did it with Jolani, so why not with IRGC + reformists?

As much as I despise pahlavists, I can live in good conscience with a Pahlavi Iran, knowing they will ironically avenge us by shitting on UAE, Turkey and all these backstabbing countries who enabled this war.

I understand your worry as an Iranian, but the "we are done " outcomes you are predicting will only happen IF the Iranian nation doesnt fight against the invaders, and that is not likely to happen. I mean, Iraqis and Afghans fought US till it exited their countries while having much less military power and regional allies than Iran has today (and this could happen with US still doing lots of damage to Iran in the war). Just saying.

 

[925boy]

Jordan included. Hit the airbases but also the Royal palaces.

Jordan,shiuid be the first place iran hits HARD. why? We'll thats where US tankers are piling up, and without tankers, the effectiveness and range of fighter and bomber aircraft in usaf drops significantly. Fattah 1s and 2s,maybe Arash 2s also are needed for that job, to reduce rate of AD interceptions by US ,israel ,nato and its gulf minions like Jordan.

 

[tsunset]

List of online talking points and arguments of Pahlavists:

- You live in a shithole
- Kos nanat
- You are an arab worshipper
- We have Viking ancestry
-We are Persians aryans just like Swedish people
- Islam is a plague
- 90% of Iranians are atheists
- There were millions of people in the peaceful protests
- 100000 killed in the protests
- 40 beheaded babies
- IRGC hides in hospitals and Persepolis basement
- America, please bomb Iran to free us
- If you don't agree with us you are an arab
- You don't speak Persian so your opinion is worthless little arab scum kos nanat
- Trump you are a savior please bomb Iran
- Khamenei is an Indian
- Clerics in Iran are Iraqis
- IRI poisoned water to kill innocent people
- Muhammad was a pedophile (ironic)
- Khamenei is a pedophile (again very ironic)
- Free Kurdistan
- Long live Israel
- Please Trump nuke Tehran so they can be freed
- If you dont agree with us then you are a son of a bitch arab muslim kos nanat
- Give us freedom so women can participate in porn movies and be the new Mia Khalifa

 

[Meengla]

He was doing exactly what your far right conservative told him to do by take on China first.
However, he is getting chokehold by China in everything, especially the rare earth.
Now he is trying to chokehold China's oil supply line by taking on Venezuela, then Iran.
Good luck with that, China will not let this opportunity to slip away, and make sure this invasion will be turned into a far bigger fiasco than both Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

There is a famous phrase in Urdu language, which comes to something like 'Two swords can't fit into one sheet'.
At some point, China will have to 'react'. When and how. I don't know. But I don't think China will be able to avoid a reaction.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There is a famous phrase in Urdu language, which comes to something like 'Two swords can't fit into one sheet'.
At some point, China will have to 'react'. When and how. I don't know. But I don't think China will be able to avoid a reaction.

Of course, China will have to act to help Iran to survive against this incoming onslaught.

However, some pro-US faction within the Iranian government still think something else.

Trump has also pushed himself into the corner, and he has to fire the shot. Otherwise, he and his party will be done by this coming November, and another awaiting bloodbath in November 2028.

For Iran, it has prepared how to fight this war for the best outcome, and not just keep using China as a bargaining chip to keep appeasing the US.

 

[mangekyo]

I understand your worry as an Iranian, but the "we are done " outcomes you are predicting will only happen IF the Iranian nation doesnt fight against the invaders, and that is not likely to happen. I mean, Iraqis and Afghans fought US till it exited their countries while having much less military power and regional allies than Iran has today (and this could happen with US still doing lots of damage to Iran in the war). Just saying.

You didn’t get my point. Iran will defend itself against any millitary aggression. We have no change beating the US and they have no chance beating us. Im worried about the post-war effects

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You didn’t get my point. Iran will defend itself against any millitary aggression. We have no change beating the US and they have no chance beating us. Im worried about the post-war effects

We Chinese believe that instead of hurting the enemy's ten fingers, it is better to chop off one of his fingers.

If you can sink one of the US supercarrier or at least disable it by destroying all the catapults on the flight deck, it gonna create a psychic shock to the symbolic might of the US military.

They will have to lose all the face, then retreat with extreme embarrassment.

That's how you can manage the post-war devastation.

I would say that to make the two US supercarriers with broken catapults would be better effect for Iran.

 

[Meengla]

However, some pro-US faction within the Iranian government still think something else.

Really there is such a thing.

Trump has also pushed himself into the corner, and he has to fire the shot. Otherwise, he and his party will be done by this coming November, and another awaiting bloodbath in November 2028.

Depends on what kind of 'shot'? Another face saving tit for tat like in June 2025, call it a 'victory', de-escalate??
And the 'bloodbath' you mention will happen if there are American casualties, not with a de-escalation.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Really there is such a thing.



Depends on what kind of 'shot'? Another face saving tit for tat like in June 2025, call it a 'victory', de-escalate??
And the 'bloodbath' you mention will happen if there are American casualties, not with a de-escalation.

The liberal Iranian president still says demoralized thing like that.




Trump has been shown as weak when China puts chokehold on the rare earth, and he has to take down Iran to show to the world that the US is not weaker than China.

 

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[Meengla]

Trump has been shown as weak when China puts chokehold on the rare earth, and he has to take down Iran to show to the world that the US is not weaker than China.

Strange way to look at things! So Trump to make America look strong has to enter a potentially devastating war against Iran? Doesn't make sense.
America just browbeaten the Venezuelians, the EU, Japan, India, Colombia and what not using just minor military action in one case and Tariffs/threats of violence in other cases. No more needed to show America's strength to the Chinese.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The liberal Iranian president still says demoralized thing like that.




Trump has been shown as weak when China puts chokehold on the rare earth, and he has to take down Iran to show to the world that the US is not weaker than China.

mistranslation

 

[Falcon29]

Here's how typical Antiship missiles like C802s, harpoons, exocets works. The radars / sensors (on ground, ship or aircrafts) detects enemy warship location, their direction and their speed. The missile is fired at approximate location where the target would be once the missile has covered the distance. During the last phase, the missile itself is carrying active radar which can track a target emitting signals or emissions or both. These missiles are effective in ranges of upto 300 kms.

Enemy can evade these missiles with combination of various techniques:
- Change course immediately as the missile launch is detected timely (americans can detect launches immediately)
- Use long range / medium range air defense missiles to intercept.
- Use EW / Jamming to jam incoming missile radar
- and finally point defense missiles / CIWS / Chaffs / Flares.

The newer and longer range Antiship missiles (targeting at above 500 km ranges) must include mid-course correction (that is possible with real time picture of battlespace and advance sensors and space capabilities). American carrier group is moving around 1000 Km from Iranian coast.

Very helpful brother, appreciate the breakdown

My stupid self thought they just seek the target without need for any radar lol