Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

if we can maintain any form of enrichment (something we are not doing now), get meaningful sanctions relief, avoid war for the next three years, and avoid giving missile concessions, then we all need to applaud Araghchi

but it seems like a very tall order and war remains the more likely scenario.

The problem is sanctions relief. Unless we get US to invest billions into Irans mineral and energy deposits, we will have a tough time surviving. We need US vested inside Iran as it seeks to counter act China. The only way with that is strong economic agreement where both sides are highly dependent on each other. Not a one way street where Iran is dependent on the West.

And you already see in Venezuela, oil companies are coming back, but some are shy due to threat of sanctions returning or some leader in VZ rising up and nationalizing their invested assets like Maduro did.

So Iran needs economic guarantees or else this cycle of currency depreciation -> riots -> Western pressure to cause regime change softly, will continue.

So just “surviving” to fight another day is not sustainable in the long run.

 

[جوبا]

just grabbed a large chunk of Syria.

I wouldnt call 15kms a large chunk considering the country is 185k sqkm but your point is valid

Source

 

[Meengla]

I wouldnt call 15kms a large chunk considering the country is 185k sqkm but your point is valid

Source

Thanks for the info. Per my understanding, the land Israel grabbed recently of Syria is about 3 times the size of Gaza and I guess not only strategically important but also fertile. Israelis know the value of 'good land': Negev could have been offered and I think was offered for some Palestinian State but fertile land--no.

 

[925boy]

Iran is the last country on earth to use a Dirty bomb. Why do you think Iran doesn't have Nuclear weapons in the first place?

Hmmm...doesn't Iran have an active biological weapons program? If Iran does, then hypothetically, could make and use a dirty bomb?

 

[جوبا]

Thanks for the info. Per my understanding, the land Israel grabbed recently of Syria is about 3 times the size of Gaza and I guess not only strategically important but also fertile. Israelis know the value of 'good land': Negev could have been offered and I think was offered for some Palestinian State but fertile land--no.

I assumed the land was captured more from the perspective to cause active insurrection in the druze areas, constant harrasment of he nearby villages thus keeping the SA army constantly engaged and busy without getting to the Golan heights border

 

[Shags101]

Hmmm...doesn't Iran have an active biological weapons program? If Iran does, then hypothetically, could make and use a dirty bomb?

Iran chose to not go down that path because of first hand effects of saddams attacks during the Iran Iraq war but saying that if they chose to they could but but you use large chemical or biological attack against another country or army I would think you would have to prepare for worse for Iranian trump would flatten every city from the air and Israel probably wouldn’t hesitate to use a nuclear weapon and let’s be real for an attack to be effective against a large population or military your dispersal methods better be on point

 

[mythbuster]

The problem is sanctions relief. Unless we get US to invest billions into Irans mineral and energy deposits, we will have a tough time surviving. We need US vested inside Iran as it seeks to counter act China. The only way with that is strong economic agreement where both sides are highly dependent on each other. Not a one way street where Iran is dependent on the West.

And you already see in Venezuela, oil companies are coming back, but some are shy due to threat of sanctions returning or some leader in VZ rising up and nationalizing their invested assets like Maduro did.

So Iran needs economic guarantees or else this cycle of currency depreciation -> riots -> Western pressure to cause regime change softly, will continue.

So just “surviving” to fight another day is not sustainable in the long run.

Agrachi has offered cooperation in energy and mining also hinted for buying civilian aircraft.....in a decade or so Iran will be in the western camp to the chagrin of Arabs , Russian and Chinese... good days are coming for you.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Agrachi has offered cooperation in energy and mining also hinted for buying civilian aircraft.....in a decade or so Iran will be in the western camp to the chagrin of Arabs , Russian and Chinese... good days are coming for you.

very prudent!

though, would give USA an advantage

 

[Persian Gulf]

The problem is sanctions relief. Unless we get US to invest billions into Irans mineral and energy deposits, we will have a tough time surviving. We need US vested inside Iran as it seeks to counter act China. The only way with that is strong economic agreement where both sides are highly dependent on each other. Not a one way street where Iran is dependent on the West.

And you already see in Venezuela, oil companies are coming back, but some are shy due to threat of sanctions returning or some leader in VZ rising up and nationalizing their invested assets like Maduro did.

So Iran needs economic guarantees or else this cycle of currency depreciation -> riots -> Western pressure to cause regime change softly, will continue.

So just “surviving” to fight another day is not sustainable in the long run.

Mossadeq would not be happy with the economic concessions we will have to give them

but our survival is on the line so anything that prevents war and preserves our MRBM production is worth pursuing

I still think it has a very low chance of success, and war is inevitable.

 

[Hayabusa]

Agrachi has offered cooperation in energy and mining also hinted for buying civilian aircraft.....in a decade or so Iran will be in the western camp to the chagrin of Arabs , Russian and Chinese... good days are coming for you.

I am pretty sure Pakistan is all for such development.

They cannot afford another Afghanistan on the western flanks, especially with India behaving like a wannabe superpower on its eastern border.

 

[Watandar]

Agrachi has offered cooperation in energy and mining also hinted for buying civilian aircraft.....in a decade or so Iran will be in the western camp to the chagrin of Arabs , Russian and Chinese... good days are coming for you.

True, hence the Arabs and Israelis will scuttle this and continue to do everything they can to maintain enmity between the US and Iran. People don't realize it but the GCC has quietly cooperated with Israel in maintaining and expanding the painful economic sanctions regime on Iran since day 1.

Iran is a big country with rich natural resources and good HDI indicators, like Venezuela. It's a huge prize for whoever can capture it.

 

[mangekyo]

Mossadeq would not be happy with the economic concessions we will have to give them

but our survival is on the line so anything that prevents war and preserves our MRBM production is worth pursuing

I still think it has a very low chance of success, and war is inevitable.

Maybe giving economic concessions isn’t a bad thing. PGCC has a combined wealth fund of $6T. How big is our wealth fund?

 

[ShapurII]

Mossadeq would not be happy with the economic concessions we will have to give them

but our survival is on the line so anything that prevents war and preserves our MRBM production is worth pursuing

I still think it has a very low chance of success, and war is inevitable.

Khamenei: I have a better idea.

Let's not give concessions to the US.

Let's give concessions to Turkey, the Emirates, Republic of Azerbaijan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, sandal-wearing terrorists like the Taliban, even Turkmenistan, just not to give concessions to the United States. And let's give whatever's left to rag-tag Arab militias.

And you're absolutely right. War is inevitable at this point. The US is not going to accept no for an answer when they are in the absolute dominant position now.

 

[mangekyo]

Khamenei: I have a better idea.

Let's not give concessions to the US.

Let's give concessions to Turkey, the Emirates, Republic of Azerbaijan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, sandal-wearing terrorists like the Taliban, even Turkmenistan, just not to give concessions to the United States. And let's give whatever's left to rag-tag Arab militias.

And you're absolutely right. War is inevitable at this point. The US is not going to accept no for an answer when they are in the absolute dominant position now.

Yeah, this is pretty much IRI in a nutshell.

 

[ShapurII]

That transitional stuff is where all the crime, theft and seeds for country fragmentation would happen and hardly you can do anything or clean after it if ever.

We have been living in that stage for the last 5 years already. So, bottom line, it won't get worse. We have hit the rock bottom already. There's no way to go but up.