Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[The SC]

What's going on?

It is not a war, but rather hybrid wars. Everyone is preparing, Trump is mobilizing, Tehran is threatening, Moscow is supporting, and Beijing is watching!
Netanyahu opened the #Lebanon front with assassinations, Trump’s ambassador Hagabi calls on Israel to occupy the entire Middle East, Washington withdraws its F35 planes from NATO maneuvers in Norway, and evacuates some of its bases in the Gulf, sources deny, and 16 countries, including #Germany, Sweden, Poland, France, Japan, and Canada, are rushing their citizens to leave Iran.
There is an attempt to shuffle the cards. American media leaks that 10-15 thousand ISIS members are spreading in #Syria, and “SDF” threatens to return to war, and Russian media claims that #Turkey has turned into a nuclear state, oil prices are rising, and civil aviation traffic is disturbed!

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The Middle East is on a powder keg...and the explosion is imminent
Don't close your eyes

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China is not wholly dependent on Iranian oil supplies , china has many other options... it's Iran who is dependent on her oil export to china ... China's biggest oil suppliers Saudi and Russians.

They are trying to do one stone for multiple birds.

Bring down Iran will re-assert the US dominance in the region, also serve as a warning to other middle eastern Muslim nations.

In the meantime, Israel wants to bring down Iran as the first crucial step to fulfill their prophecy of the Greater Israel.

Bring down Iran won't cripple China's energy sector, but just want to disrupt China's one belt one road initiative.

China doesn't want another Venezuela scenario to demoralize its business partners.

 

[wangdefa]

I disagree.

There is no precedent to a nation attacking another with Nuclear Weapons just because a warship is sunk due to a conventional attack.

Sinking a carrier is good for morale, because it is a highly symbolic event that marks the end of Western Naval Dominance in the Earth's oceans since 500 years, after the Portuguese ruled the waves in Asia after they captured Malacca and took over the Spice Trade Routes in the Indian Ocean and Malacca Straits since that era till now ( 1526- 2026 AD which is 500 years of Western Naval Supremacy in a region stretching from West Asia to SE Asia ).

I still have self-esteem problems when comparing our people to Europeans, where I'm not proud being a majority ethnic group in Malaysia because our military history sucks because our Malacca Sutanate lost to white-skinned foreign navy from Europe(Portugeuese) who came from Iberia that has just chased out brown Muslims, so I want to see US NAVY be destroyed as they are the modern-day Portugal for me who I want to see their navy be destroyed as I am still bitter Malacca couldn't won the war against the Portuguese White Crusader invader scum.

For many people of color who are mad at White People for their racism and Islamphobia, like ME here, it is very necessary to see a Highly Symbolic and Visible Asset of Modern-Day Western Naval Dominance like a USN Supercarrier be sunk in a Live, Real, War(not theory or wargames anymore) so as to elevate our Morale, our Self-Esteem, and even our Self-Confidence.

The sinking of a carrier allows many people to celebrate and live in high hopes that Western Naval Dominance and White People in Wars can be defeated by Non-White and Non-European, Non-Caucasian Peoples and gives us people of color a sense of pride and prestige that we can eliminate a highly symbolic asset of Caucasian Military Dominance in warfare(sure, Black Americans exist and USA is not just Whites, but it is Whites that are the Number 1 Majority race that still runs the country there, so the US military is still considered a representative of a "Caucasian Military Dominance as most of its soldiers are white")

Therefore, sinking A USN Supercarrier is a must, a "Baptism of Fire" (for a lack of a better word), to reduce Westerners into no longer a Military Powerhouse but to turn them into Insignificants in the face of the proud BRICS Alliance.

Although I can understand the aversion to Western hegemony—at least on this platform, many countries share the same sentiment and everyone’s views are aligned—it is undeniable that, apart from China and Russia, no other country poses an actual threat to the U.S. homeland. Japan once attacked a military base in Hawaii, but the U.S. mainland can quickly rearm its forces.
You might ask, why hasn’t China intervened in the Middle East to stop the U.S. from waging war? I think you should consider it from a military perspective. We need logistical support, military bases, defense industry maintenance facilities, and a large number of engineers familiar with Chinese military equipment. Among Middle Eastern countries, apart from our friends in Pakistan, who would provide these? Iraq? Syria? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Or Egypt and Jordan? Are our planes supposed to take off from China and return to China for maintenance? Should our warships and aircraft carriers travel back to South China Sea bases through a time-space portal for resupply?
Every armchair general thinks war is just simple words on a keyboard. Look at how many human and material resources the U.S. had to mobilize for this military operation.
Putting aside all positions, we only discuss tactics, and under these conditions, we are not interested in discussing a war that does not belong to us.

 

[ShapurII]

I think it is fairly certain at this point that in a potential war with the US, China will be the most passive country as usual.

This is not to blame them. It's just a prediction based on their past actions and their pattern of decision making which is non-confrontational and purely based on economic profit.

 

[Bharatah]

As I've already mentioned here, geopolitical analysts in Brazil have reported that Iran is expanding its "resistance" and this could include Afghanistan. Afghanistan had already offered to help days ago if requested, and today sent a message to Iran
saying that all they have to do is request Afghan guerrilla troops, which will be sent to be commanded by Iranian officers.

NOTE: Iran has not yet requested troops because (as I've already said here) there will be no open war, only the probability of a media stunt like in Venezuela, but in response to this supposed stunt, iran may request an alliance with Afghanistan.

 

[Meengla]

I think it is fairly certain at this point that in a potential war with the US, China will be the most passive country as usual.
This is not to blame them. It's just a prediction based on their past actions and their pattern of decision making which is non-confrontational and purely based on economic profit.

I don't know why you did the Laugh reaction to @wangdefa sensible post just above while you don't 'blame them'?
Also, who is that say an America-Israel attack on Iran would not give China enough reason to finally take care of its Taiwan Problem once and for all, with tacit American approval?? Or even for Russia to finally settle the Ukraine issue by taking as far land as Odessa, again with tacit American approval??
Great Powers have worked like that before.

 

[Bharatah]

I think it is fairly certain at this point that in a potential war with the US, China will be the most passive country as usual.

This is not to blame them. It's just a prediction based on their past actions and their pattern of decision making which is non-confrontational and purely based on economic profit.

The amount of technology China has given Iran in recent few months surpasses anything seen in alliances around the world; the very system that disabled Starlink came from China, and much more :

Read - Important Aid from China to Iran :

Alistair Crook, British diplomat and former MI6 officer: Before the 12-day war, Iran used Google's navigation system, but after the war, it completely migrated to China's Beidou navigation system. Tracking or interfering with this system is virtually impossible or extremely difficult.China has deployed its largest intelligence and espionage ship in the Gulf of Oman, and this ship transmits real-time information about the enemy to Iran.

This means that Iranian missiles no longer rely on GPS and cannot be neutralized by disabling the GPS signal.China has also provided Iran with radars capable of detecting enemy stealth aircraft at a distance of 600 kilometers.Furthermore, China has provided Iran with the same advanced navigation system that played a crucial role in Pakistan's superiority over India, this time on a broader and more comprehensive scale.

 

[Meengla]

As I've already mentioned here, geopolitical analysts in Brazil have reported that Iran is expanding its "resistance" and this could include Afghanistan. Afghanistan had already offered to help days ago if requested, and today sent a message to Iran
saying that all they have to do is request Afghan guerrilla troops, which will be sent to be commanded by Iranian officers.
NOTE: Iran has not yet requested troops because (as I've already said here) there will be no open war, only the probability of a media stunt like in Venezuela, but in response to this supposed stunt, iran may request an alliance with Afghanistan.

Wow! Iran, a nation of 80+ million people may need help from the most rentier mercenary 'nation' like Afghanistan for a war which will not be a land war anyway.
You are losing it, bro.

 

[جوبا]

As I've already mentioned here, geopolitical analysts in Brazil have reported that Iran is expanding its "resistance" and this could include Afghanistan. Afghanistan had already offered to help days ago if requested, and today sent a message to Iran
saying that all they have to do is request Afghan guerrilla troops, which will be sent to be commanded by Iranian officers.

NOTE: Iran has not yet requested troops because (as I've already said here) there will be no open war, only the probability of a media stunt like in Venezuela, but in response to this supposed stunt, iran may request an alliance with Afghanistan.

Source for this?
Unless you are misrepresenting Zabiullah's statement to RadioIran

 

[Liquidator]

The amount of technology China has given Iran in recent few months surpasses anything seen in alliances around the world; the very system that disabled Starlink came from China, and much more :

Read - Important Aid from China to Iran :

Alistair Crook, British diplomat and former MI6 officer: Before the 12-day war, Iran used Google's navigation system, but after the war, it completely migrated to China's Beidou navigation system. Tracking or interfering with this system is virtually impossible or extremely difficult.China has deployed its largest intelligence and espionage ship in the Gulf of Oman, and this ship transmits real-time information about the enemy to Iran.

This means that Iranian missiles no longer rely on GPS and cannot be neutralized by disabling the GPS signal.China has also provided Iran with radars capable of detecting enemy stealth aircraft at a distance of 600 kilometers.Furthermore, China has provided Iran with the same advanced navigation system that played a crucial role in Pakistan's superiority over India, this time on a broader and more comprehensive scale.

Sure
The Afghan navy and their airforce will come in handy.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't know why you did the Laugh reaction to @wangdefa sensible post just above while you don't 'blame them'?
Also, who is that say an America-Israel attack on Iran would not give China enough reason to finally take care of its Taiwan Problem once and for all, with tacit American approval?? Or even for Russia to finally settle the Ukraine issue by taking as far land as Odessa, again with tacit American approval??
Great Powers have worked like that before.

Because he claims that China is not interested in military involvement in the Middle East because nobody wants to give them military bases here.

The question is, what do they offer militarily to begin with? Can you, for the sake of argument, imagine a China that confronts the US militarily over defense pacts with another nation? Can you imagine a Chinese nuclear umbrella against the US?

It's like I claim that nobody wants me to play in international tennis tournaments while I have never participated in any smaller tournaments in recent years. What has been China's record in recent military developments in the world? In most cases, they were just bystanders, minding their own business while counting their dollars quietly.

Russia is no longer a great power. They're stuck in Ukraine.
China is a major global power, possibly the only country that can challenge the United States, but it is non-confrontational.
I believe China's Taiwan policy is not based on military intervention. They believe when China finally progresses beyond a certain level, the people of Taiwan will be willing to join China again. It's a smart plan, but whether it will materialize or not is to be seen.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Jews in Iran are not zionists

Not a single Jew was arrested during the riots and past riots

I am not sure about that

in one of the Handala leaks I saw the name of the leader of Iran's Jews in the contacts of the Mossad chief

 

[Persian Gulf]

Breach in Iran!!

The coordinates of all Iranian air defense systems were leaked and published on the Flight Radar website.

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Seems not real!

But the fact is that the US and Israel know many times more than what is published publicly. They have more than 260 military satellites in low orbit, and their function is surveillance, espionage, eavesdropping, visual photography, and radar scanning. This is the announced number, but as for what is unknown, it is certainly more.

fake news about the 'leak'

but yes, you are right they already know the locations of Iran's air defences

 

[Persian Gulf]

Although I can understand the aversion to Western hegemony—at least on this platform, many countries share the same sentiment and everyone’s views are aligned—it is undeniable that, apart from China and Russia, no other country poses an actual threat to the U.S. homeland. Japan once attacked a military base in Hawaii, but the U.S. mainland can quickly rearm its forces.
You might ask, why hasn’t China intervened in the Middle East to stop the U.S. from waging war? I think you should consider it from a military perspective. We need logistical support, military bases, defense industry maintenance facilities, and a large number of engineers familiar with Chinese military equipment. Among Middle Eastern countries, apart from our friends in Pakistan, who would provide these? Iraq? Syria? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Or Egypt and Jordan? Are our planes supposed to take off from China and return to China for maintenance? Should our warships and aircraft carriers travel back to South China Sea bases through a time-space portal for resupply?
Every armchair general thinks war is just simple words on a keyboard. Look at how many human and material resources the U.S. had to mobilize for this military operation.
Putting aside all positions, we only discuss tactics, and under these conditions, we are not interested in discussing a war that does not belong to us.

this is reasonable

but there are other ways China can help and make this war expensive for the US

 

[ShapurII]

I am not sure about that

in one of the Handala leaks I saw the name of the leader of Iran's Jews in the contacts of an Israeli minister

We have millions of dissatisfied citizens that welcome the idea of military intervention in Iran because they're tired of the current situation and believe nothing can change without foreign intervention.
10K-15K Jews will not make a difference when you already have millions of people that are labeled as"traitors". It's a drop in the sea.