Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I have to agree with @VCheng

this is not looking good

 

[PakAl]

One of the biggest victory of Pedo alliance is massive propaganda or perception maintenance maneuvering they have done by enforcing total censorship over their own losses. Despite reports, despite people coming out and telling the amount of damage, bodies etc we have no means to prove. Jews are extra sensitive to being perceived weak.

IRGC targeted Haifa refinery last night, Russian accounts on twitter were saying there was massive clouds of fire but we have no way of knowing.

Have you seen all the zionist Muslim propaganda on social media, all celebrating attacks on Iran, and yes they have big long beards and claim to represent Islam. Any real Muslim will oppose this war but zionist puppets will be celebrating the killings of Muslims. So its not just the western world who does unlimited propaganda, they say if you lie 1000 times the people will accept it as the truth.

 

[maverick]

sounds like he already capitulated , what a simp

 

[VCheng]

But the question was, what is the valid framing of American or Israeli demands?
Trump has just said that he wants to choose the next Iranian leadership

Trump's demands at this point are more hubris than substance, but that might be due to the military's assessments of whether they can deliver that strength by destroying Iran's offensive capabilities, quickly and without many casualties, while keeping the Strait open.

That is a tall order indeed, given the Iranian resolve and their drone and missile capabilties.

But, IF that does happen, then Trump might be in a position to dictate such demands and get them.

What I personally suspect will happen is the Venezuelan model, where the old setup survives in name but conforms in its policies.

 

[iron shrapnel]

Callsign: White Tie (TACAMO) is airborne


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TACAMO (Take Charge And Move Out) is a United States military system of survivable communications links designed to be used in nuclear warfare to maintain communications between the decision-makers (the National Command Authority) and the triad of strategic nuclear weapon delivery systems. Its primary mission is serving as a signals relay, where it receives orders from a command plane such as Operation Looking Glass, and verifies and retransmits their Emergency Action Messages (EAMs) to US strategic forces.

Ya Allah reham,
Brother combined with the vapors expended in Tehran's air, what effect would something like this do ?
In case of conventional attack and in case of tactical nuke would it multiply the destruction effect and nuclear fall out ?

 

[clutch]

Israeli media reports that the UAE has struck water desalination plants in Iran

The United Arab Emirates struck Iran for the first time. This was confirmed to Ynet. The strike targeted an Iranian desalination facility, and Israeli assessments indicate the strike is currently only a signal to Iran, and if Iranian attacks escalate - then there is a real possibility the UAE will join the campaign, even if in a limited capacity.

First time: UAE strikes Iran

www.ynetnews.com

I believe Iran can also easily put boot on the ground in the UAE. It's an easy target for a land invasion. There are no local residents willing to fight.

 

[VCheng]

Then why are you wasting the bandwidth?
Throwing open ended statements here and there doesn't serve any purpose

The real waste of bandwidth here is to pontificate what the parties to the conflict should or should not do, as you and many others are doing.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

What each side would be willing to willing to negotiate on will depend on who, if anyone, is able to gain the upper hand to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. That is all war does - to give one's side a stronger position at the table.

Whether that strength is with Iran or USA remains to be seen, and hence too early to talk about what each side may or may not be willing to accept.

Again with the will, will... negotiate that negotiate this...
He bombed them twice cosplaying as deal maker. Only to get enough ammo in the region to scuttle them... both times with the aim to decapitate. Who talk with the one planning your death mid sentence?
Just keep the holier than thou out for a minute.

 

[RescueRanger]

Ya Allah reham,
Brother combined with the vapors expended in Tehran's air, what effect would something like this do ?
In case of conventional attack and in case of tactical nuke would it multiply the destruction effect and nuclear fall out ?

I dont think they have used a nuclear weapon but the strikes last night hit a lot of fuel depots the vapour from that is causing this - plus many of thr fires are still burning.

 

[VCheng]

In my opinion, bringing Israel and usa to the negotiating table means Iran has achieved something. Of course they need some guarantors who matters to be present on that negotiating table for outcomes and agreements to hold.

For both sides to come to the table is a win in a way. The makeup of who gets to sit at the table will depend on the outcome of the hostilties.

 

[r3alist]

Trump's demands at this point are more hubris than substance, but that might be due to the military's assessments of whether they can deliver that strength by destroying Iran's offensive capabilities, quickly and without many casualties, while keeping the Strait open.

That is a tall order indeed, given the Iranian resolve and their drone and missile capabilties.

But, IF that does happen, then Trump might be in a position to dictate such demands and get them.

What I personally suspect will happen is the Venezuelan model, where the old setup survives in name but conforms in its policies.

If they are hubris and lacking in substance then again, following all of this destruction, what exactly is the valid negotiation

It is not on nuclear enrichment, it is not on land or territory, is it not a war of choice?

Negotiations have parameters and purpose.

Your last response effectively says there is no purpose for this destruction across the region

Also you remember attacks happened during negotiations last time.

I don't see that anything you raise is rooted in the reality of what is unfolding

 

[clutch]

Now is the time to test nukes or they wont back off. Khamenei the Islamic dove is gone IRGC should not waste time. These zios and pedos riding the hyper global military power machine will kill all of Tehrans population. They have never been this aggressive since they nuked Japan in WWII. IRGC should wake up from their missile launch obsession. They had their fun over Israel and snakes across PG, get the nukes out now.

Although I agree with your sentiment. Iran cannot do so until it has enough enriched material of weapons grade. That will take time and effort which Iran currently doesn't have.

They did not attack Iran because it was any closer to attaining nuclear weapons . They attacked it because it wasn't.

 

[VCheng]

Who talk with one playing your death mid sentence?

Well, if the choice is to talk, or die?

 

[prokhorudro]

At this point Iran should give in. Let's face it Iran is facing the combined forces of the West. And It's biting back hard. And if their objective is to create nightmare for them then they are winning. But the country wont survive either way. The people wont. Even if they win this war and epstein gang backs off. Iran is gone already.
No coalition. Nobody came to the help.

In my eyes Iran is already hero. But what's the end goal?
Will GCC speak for Iran? Or create any resistance?
Probably they will do nothing like gaza.
China is silent.
Can Iran defeat the entire West?

 

[iron shrapnel]

I dont think they have used a nuclear weapon but the strikes last night hit a lot of fuel depots the vapour from that is causing this - plus many of thr fires are still burning.

The smoke is still there isn't it ? Potentially having fuel vapor as well... Could that multiply the effect if an attack happens now ?