Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Cicero said:
A lot of those injuries are for things that are indirectly related to the missile strikes, i.e people injuring themselves running to a shelter, debris, heart attacks etc. I honestly think the death rate is minimal. For one many if not most missiles are intercepted. Secondly, even those with impacts often times people are already in shelters and three the most effective thus far are the cluster munitions that while can spread indiscriminately into 80 different munitions their impact is quite minimal. Here's an example of one cluster munition impact:



You literally have to be in the impact zone to be injured or killed. Again don't forget that Iran fired more missiles to Israel in the last 12 day war than after more than two weeks in this conflict and the salvos had much more missiles than what we are seeing now, so again it doesn't surprise me that the number dead enemy is also lower than in June 2025.
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What the point of how one gets injured or killed ? casualty is a casualty in the end. Also 4000 hospitalized injured + thousands of buildings being damaged by their mouth makes no sense for 19-20 reported casualties. Never ever before have we seen such extreme low casualty rate for such high number of injured population or the high extent of damage we are seeing inside Israel through minimal leaks. Why the gag order on not just media but also private footage leaks otherwise? why the extreme level censorship and secrecy otherwise?

Also bunkers work but not against 3400 lbs warhead of Sejjil. I have been noticing they are reporting 50-100 injuries for every Sejjil-II or K-4 strike but somehow by some made up Jewish Miracle no one dies.





Like I always say, they do not want to ruin their perception of invincibility which they have created giving severe beatings/genocides to Arabs over the decades. IRI on the other hand is too naive to report everything or one can say the system thrives on dead bodies.
 
Biggest fools inside IRI ? Reformists + Principalists who thought they can climb up the ladder of power by "talking" with Zionists and their controlled Evangelicals. They created the currency crisis twice. They started talks over national security twice and here we are.

I wont be surprised if Larijani was trying to elevate Rohani over Mojtaba to pave way for a peaceful dialogue. Remember how much he was flying around during Oman talks. In one way or other, these "dialogue" guys are being removed is a blessing in disguise. I want fatva crowd gone as well.
 
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Watandar said:
Unless the Iranians completely collapse I don't see any easy military solutions in the current Hormuz Strait situation. All land based actions will be escalatory.

Mr Trump seems to be going for seizing the Kharg Island oil terminal while simultaneously attacking Iranian coastal defenses. Maybe he intends to declare victory after that and end the war but to me, its further flawed thinking.
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Yes, that is why I feel the war has been 'good' so far (i.e. relatively few casualties) but may turn ugly over Hormuz. I don't think U.S. can ever walk away with 'not free' strait. That may provoke increasingly horrible decisions. There was a similar crisis in 1956 over Suez Canal and ended up in a big mess. The canal was not useable for many months. It also remained closed for 8 years after 1967 war.
 
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