Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SABRE]

Netanyahu has openly stated time and again in interviews that denuclearization of Pakistan is a goal after ensuring Iran cannot make the bomb.

The Israelis and Americans can do this by supporting insurgencies and trying to balkanize Pakistan. After that taking control of the nukes would be easy, just like they did it with former Soviet countries.

Coming back to Iran, I don't think a regime change is remotely possible without a ground invasion. In the unlikely event that it happens, it would be bad news for Pakistan since that would mean a puppet of the west getting installed.

The way I see it, there are three ways of denuclearising Pakistan:

1. Unload the entire arsenal on India
2. Unload the entire arsenal on Israel
3. Unload the entire arsenal equitably on India and Israel

 

[Watandar]

This is extremely reckless and amateurish. Iran was always going to respond to attacks on its energy facilities with attacks on GCC/Israel energy facilities and firing at tankers in the sea.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Ali_Baba]

You think Arabs can force Israel/US off their soil and/or airspace. They are under hostage and have no say.

I disagree with this. If the countries state clearly their airspace is closed, then the USA will have to explain to everyone why it is violating that countries airspace. That create optics, and reduces political space. You do not need to demonstrate enforcement to close something down.

The problem is the Arab countries want to help USA attack Iran, not that they are powerless to stop it.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Immortals]

Iran's problem right now, is that it is throwing 1 or 2 missiles at a target and not actually destroying anything. They should focus on to these plans with several cluster based missiles per target and make a concerted effort to actually destroy these targets for a change.

You are only seeing the civilian damage. Like the 12 day war we thought that Iran didn’t do much damage until the military site damage came out months later.

The Israeli censorship is much stronger this war and no strategic sites are shown for obvious reasons.

And Iran did 10 waves of missiles yesterday to Israel, even if you are sending only 2 missiles per wave that’s still 20 missiles assuming Israel fires 2-3 interceptors that over 50 interceptors burns per day.

They do not have any infinite supply.

 

[VCheng]

Iran's problem right now, is that it is throwing 1 or 2 missiles at a target and not actually destroying anything. They should focus on to these plans with several cluster based missiles per target and make a concerted effort to actually destroy these targets for a change.

Don't you think Iran would if they could, after all this time since the start of the hostilities? Why would they possibly be restraining themselves now?

 

[Immortals]

 

[rishi7887]

The way I see it, there are three ways of denuclearising Pakistan:

1. Unload the entire arsenal on India
2. Unload the entire arsenal on Israel
3. Unload the entire arsenal equitably on India and Israel

The soviets had nukes. Yet, apart from Russia all others had to give up their nukes in exchange for deals / guarantees after Soviet collapse. The strategy for denuclearization of Pakistan will be the same - balkanize it into smaller pieces through insurgencies / asymmetrical warfare and then negotiate to have these smaller countries to give up nukes in exchange for deals. There is no scenario where a nuclear exchange will happen since it'll remain a shadow war.

They want a similar conflict inside Iran too which is why trump has been begging the kurds to join.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Immortals]

@Malik Abdullah is this true or did you see any impacts in the last 20 mins. Apparently another wave of missiles came

 

[SABRE]

The soviets had nukes. Yet, apart from Russia all others had to give up their nukes in exchange for deals / guarantees after Soviet collapse. The strategy for denuclearization of Pakistan will be the same - balkanize it into smaller pieces through insurgencies / asymmetrical warfare and then negotiate to have these smaller countries to give up nukes in exchange for deals. There is no scenario where a nuclear exchange will happen since it'll remain a shadow war.

They want a similar conflict inside Iran too which is why trump has been begging the kurds to join.

Soviets disbanded voluntarily

 

[Bharatah]

Iran's problem right now, is that it is throwing 1 or 2 missiles at a target and not actually destroying anything. They should focus on to these plans with several cluster based missiles per target and make a concerted effort to actually destroy these targets for a change.

If Iran isn't destroying anything, why is there military censorship in the affected areas? Not only in Israel, but also in monarchies occupied by the US? Ask them to turn on the cameras to show us that nothing is being hit.

 

[IceCold]

Don't you think Iran would if they could, after all this time since the start of the hostilities? Why would they possibly be restraining themselves now?

The problem is that Iran, whether by choice or lack thereof, is allowing both Israel and the US to choose the escalation ladder. If it wants to win, it will have to take the initiative that takes the other party by surprise and maybe just maybe, force them to sit down and negotiate. The only surprise the Americans got was the US bases hit in the Middle East to an extent they were not anticipating.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]