Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

If you think the Khorramabad missile base is too big, just take a quick trip around Fordow.
The size of that complex is just a tad smaller than south Lebanon:))

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Immortals said:
I’d keep expectations in check for deterrence build up. Airforce is likely never being rebuilt. Navy never rebuilt. Doubling down on missiles, drones, and CMs.

I expect us to move toward more mobile passive air defense systems. Work on building strong infrared based systems that can detect fighter jets at 100KM+ via IR/EO instead of radar that can be hunted during SEAD campaigns. Seeing how Ukraine is hunting S-400 and S-500 in Russia doesn’t bode confidence that these bulky expensive systems can do anything in a major war against US or Israel. I think focus should be on small and fast and nimble and cheap.
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Even more reasons for acquiring nuclear weapons. Iran now has the perfect justification for getting nukes.

Russia is super large and it doesn't have enough S-400s and S-500s to cover all of its federations. Iran has the same problem. On the bright side, we have learned extensively about modern air warfare in these two wars. Our missile program is the result of fighting a huge bloody war with Iraq. Hopefully, the experience of these two wars will lead to a much better, and denser, air defense in the future.

On a side note, we badly need to revive our air force and even civilian airlines. But it's a post-war topic.
 
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And if the talks fail they will probably shoot down the plane carrying Iranian officials once they exit Pakistan airspace.

These guys never learn
 
ShapurII said:
Even more reasons for acquiring nuclear weapons. Iran now has the perfect justification for getting nukes.

Russia is super large and it doesn't have enough S-400s and S-500s to cover all of its federations. Iran has the same problem. On the bright side, we have learned extensively about modern air warfare in these two wars. Our missile program is the result of fighting a huge bloody war with Iraq. Hopefully, the experience of these two wars will lead to a much better, and denser, air defense in the future.

On a side note, we badly need to revive our air force and even civilian airlines. But it's a post-war topic.
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I agree with you. With two nuclear powers striking with impunity, any nation at this cross roads will abandon NPT and will pursue nuclear weapons.

I am sure it will happen since Iran is appearing as a global power, ceasefire deal might include this clause if not then NPT will be thrown out
 
PakSword said:
IR should maintain its demand of the complete exit of the US from the region. Although it won't be accepted by the US but there will be a middle ground found in the process.
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Sanctions relief is the Number 1 thing that Iran should be demanding. The GCC is never going to let go of American bases, not after the whipping they have just received. I expect the GCC to buy even more war equipment and give the US even more bases. I suspect they will allow Israelis to deploy to these bases as well.
 
BigMela2onin said:
They're not, that's why there's no benefit to having a friendly populace.
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You need a friendly populace for business and travel. Unless you think Iran can be ruled like North Korea where citizens are held hostage inside the country and the country has no exports/imports with its neighbors.

BigMela2onin said:
So since you brought up the UAE. Majority of UAE are expats, they will leave rather than live in a warzone. Migrant workers will leave of there's no money to be made. These monarchies want to diversify away from petrochemicals, we can remind them we can take that away just as we can take away the oil and gas and we remind foreign investors that there investment can go up in flames if their leaders continue to make bad decisions. I'm not talking about bombing random schools but you can hit a university lab building on a day with no classes. Hitting banks was a good move along the lines of what I'm suggesting.
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Well, you advocated for hitting schools and hospitals. The Emirates can be destroyed, and should be destroyed for their role in this and that can be achieved by hitting their infrastructure instead of schools and hospitals.

Emirzad said:
Post Trump there will be another Trump and after him another unless US's deep state gets rid of Zio financial grip which ain't happening at all for atleast another 10 years.

IRI's only survival will be open/amigous nukes, ICBMs, strategic defence+economic pacts with Russia and China, extremely tight gripped toll regimen over Hormuz.

This will war will be slowly decay into stalemate/IRI's victory (regime survived, undetered military striking back into heart of enemy, Hormuz choke etc). It will be an IRGC led Iran which will no longer be interested in saving Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese against Israel. Khamenei wasted 500 Billion USD on fighting Israel to no avail. I guess new gen leaders will know what not to do.
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Trump is an unpredictable player. Say what you want, but no other US president would've started two wars with Iran in a single year. He is dumb and his dumbness can both benefit Iran and be detrimental to our interests.

As for the rest of your point, my only answer is that I hope you are right. However, the fact that Pezeshkiyan is still the president of Iran renders me pessimistic about that rosy picture you are painting now.
 
Emirzad said:
the **** lol

I feel Trump the individual is secretly liking IRGC more than Israel-PGCC.
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We analyze based on Trump's personality.

The NATO-Ukraine Council is an organization jointly established by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Ukraine. In July 2023, the NATO Vilnius Summit confirmed the establishment of this council, and all member countries reached a consensus on it. According to the statement from the 2024 NATO Summit, this council is a mechanism for negotiating security issues on an equal basis and is also an effective crisis consultation mechanism. Its decisions aim to serve as a bridge for Ukraine to join NATO. This meeting led to the outbreak of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. However, Trump has always claimed to be good friends with Putin and hopes to use this relationship to persuade Russia to stop the war. Moreover, the United States has stopped aiding Ukraine; the U.S. will not provide Ukraine with any weapons that can strike the Russian capital.

The United States has betrayed Pakistan before. The U.S. has been implementing its Asia-Pacific policy, whose core is Japan and India. The purpose of this policy is to encircle China and blockade China. After the May War, Trump invited top Pakistani officials for lunch.

China held a military parade to commemorate the victory against Japanese aggression. On that day, Trump met with Polish President Karol Nawrocki at the White House and said, 'I think this is a beautiful ceremony. I think it is very, very impressive.' Trump said he understands the reason China is holding this parade.

When our military carried out the Just Mission-2025, the PLA blockaded part of our territory and territorial waters. On December 29, U.S. President Trump stated in a media interview that he maintains good communication with Chinese leaders and that China has not conveyed any signal of taking military action to him. He also mentioned that the Chinese military has been conducting exercises in the relevant waters for many years, and the outside world need not overinterpret it.

So I agree with the viewpoint of my Iranian friend. Trump likes the strong, which is also the reason he was involved when President Clinton had relations.
 
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I’m thinking this is bad mind games maybe even to see if they can get people to reveal their locations to se if it’s true
 
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