Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

I’d keep expectations in check for deterrence build up. Airforce is likely never being rebuilt. Navy never rebuilt. Doubling down on missiles, drones, and CMs.

I expect us to move toward more mobile passive air defense systems. Work on building strong infrared based systems that can detect fighter jets at 100KM+ via IR/EO instead of radar that can be hunted during SEAD campaigns. Seeing how Ukraine is hunting S-400 and S-500 in Russia doesn’t bode confidence that these bulky expensive systems can do anything in a major war against US or Israel. I think focus should be on small and fast and nimble and cheap.

Even more reasons for acquiring nuclear weapons. Iran now has the perfect justification for getting nukes.

Russia is super large and it doesn't have enough S-400s and S-500s to cover all of its federations. Iran has the same problem. On the bright side, we have learned extensively about modern air warfare in these two wars. Our missile program is the result of fighting a huge bloody war with Iraq. Hopefully, the experience of these two wars will lead to a much better, and denser, air defense in the future.

On a side note, we badly need to revive our air force and even civilian airlines. But it's a post-war topic.

 

[Immortals]

And if the talks fail they will probably shoot down the plane carrying Iranian officials once they exit Pakistan airspace.

These guys never learn

 

[PakSword]

if IR accepts US terms now, it will lose badly

IR should maintain its demand of the complete exit of the US from the region. Although it won't be accepted by the US but there will be a middle ground found in the process.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Fight on, never trust the orange monkey. Destroy their bases and repeat Dimona and arad like attacks.

 

[maverick]

Even more reasons for acquiring nuclear weapons. Iran now has the perfect justification for getting nukes.

Russia is super large and it doesn't have enough S-400s and S-500s to cover all of its federations. Iran has the same problem. On the bright side, we have learned extensively about modern air warfare in these two wars. Our missile program is the result of fighting a huge bloody war with Iraq. Hopefully, the experience of these two wars will lead to a much better, and denser, air defense in the future.

On a side note, we badly need to revive our air force and even civilian airlines. But it's a post-war topic.

I agree with you. With two nuclear powers striking with impunity, any nation at this cross roads will abandon NPT and will pursue nuclear weapons.

I am sure it will happen since Iran is appearing as a global power, ceasefire deal might include this clause if not then NPT will be thrown out

 

[Watandar]

IR should maintain its demand of the complete exit of the US from the region. Although it won't be accepted by the US but there will be a middle ground found in the process.

Sanctions relief is the Number 1 thing that Iran should be demanding. The GCC is never going to let go of American bases, not after the whipping they have just received. I expect the GCC to buy even more war equipment and give the US even more bases. I suspect they will allow Israelis to deploy to these bases as well.

 

[ShapurII]

They're not, that's why there's no benefit to having a friendly populace.

You need a friendly populace for business and travel. Unless you think Iran can be ruled like North Korea where citizens are held hostage inside the country and the country has no exports/imports with its neighbors.

So since you brought up the UAE. Majority of UAE are expats, they will leave rather than live in a warzone. Migrant workers will leave of there's no money to be made. These monarchies want to diversify away from petrochemicals, we can remind them we can take that away just as we can take away the oil and gas and we remind foreign investors that there investment can go up in flames if their leaders continue to make bad decisions. I'm not talking about bombing random schools but you can hit a university lab building on a day with no classes. Hitting banks was a good move along the lines of what I'm suggesting.

Well, you advocated for hitting schools and hospitals. The Emirates can be destroyed, and should be destroyed for their role in this and that can be achieved by hitting their infrastructure instead of schools and hospitals.

Post Trump there will be another Trump and after him another unless US's deep state gets rid of Zio financial grip which ain't happening at all for atleast another 10 years.

IRI's only survival will be open/amigous nukes, ICBMs, strategic defence+economic pacts with Russia and China, extremely tight gripped toll regimen over Hormuz.

This will war will be slowly decay into stalemate/IRI's victory (regime survived, undetered military striking back into heart of enemy, Hormuz choke etc). It will be an IRGC led Iran which will no longer be interested in saving Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese against Israel. Khamenei wasted 500 Billion USD on fighting Israel to no avail. I guess new gen leaders will know what not to do.

Trump is an unpredictable player. Say what you want, but no other US president would've started two wars with Iran in a single year. He is dumb and his dumbness can both benefit Iran and be detrimental to our interests.

As for the rest of your point, my only answer is that I hope you are right. However, the fact that Pezeshkiyan is still the president of Iran renders me pessimistic about that rosy picture you are painting now.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

the **** lol

I feel Trump the individual is secretly liking IRGC more than Israel-PGCC.

We analyze based on Trump's personality.

The NATO-Ukraine Council is an organization jointly established by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Ukraine. In July 2023, the NATO Vilnius Summit confirmed the establishment of this council, and all member countries reached a consensus on it. According to the statement from the 2024 NATO Summit, this council is a mechanism for negotiating security issues on an equal basis and is also an effective crisis consultation mechanism. Its decisions aim to serve as a bridge for Ukraine to join NATO. This meeting led to the outbreak of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. However, Trump has always claimed to be good friends with Putin and hopes to use this relationship to persuade Russia to stop the war. Moreover, the United States has stopped aiding Ukraine; the U.S. will not provide Ukraine with any weapons that can strike the Russian capital.

The United States has betrayed Pakistan before. The U.S. has been implementing its Asia-Pacific policy, whose core is Japan and India. The purpose of this policy is to encircle China and blockade China. After the May War, Trump invited top Pakistani officials for lunch.

China held a military parade to commemorate the victory against Japanese aggression. On that day, Trump met with Polish President Karol Nawrocki at the White House and said, 'I think this is a beautiful ceremony. I think it is very, very impressive.' Trump said he understands the reason China is holding this parade.

When our military carried out the Just Mission-2025, the PLA blockaded part of our territory and territorial waters. On December 29, U.S. President Trump stated in a media interview that he maintains good communication with Chinese leaders and that China has not conveyed any signal of taking military action to him. He also mentioned that the Chinese military has been conducting exercises in the relevant waters for many years, and the outside world need not overinterpret it.

So I agree with the viewpoint of my Iranian friend. Trump likes the strong, which is also the reason he was involved when President Clinton had relations.

 

[LeonBlack08]

 

[Shags101]

I’m thinking this is bad mind games maybe even to see if they can get people to reveal their locations to se if it’s true

 

[Shags101]

Mind games they want to se where is maybe they located his messengers and want to see if they will go to him

 

[Kyussis]

You have just proven that we can never believe a word that comes out of Trump's mouth. Falling for another ceasefire promise is the dumbest thing that Iran can do at this time!

 

[UndercoverJIX]

The location of the radio station that was broadcasting a series of numbers in Persian (Numbers Station) has been identified in Germany.
This location belongs to a U.S. military base in Germany.

Our @RescueRanger traced pinpoint location long ago and posted here, after that all these tweety birds are singing.
It shows, how closely our Defencepk is monitored and respected for its brilliant minds.

Now we as members have a responsibility to maintain the quality.

Edit: Sorry now seeing members already mentioned it.
Great work @RescueRanger as usual,

 

[ToddE]

So, whoever is in charge now, do you think Iran will finally do the inevitable or not? Build the A bomb?

Highly likely its already happening if not happened already. Its no longer Khamenei's IRI we are seeing. He "avenged" Soleimani, the greatest Iranian Warrior General in a century, by giving concussions to 150 US soldiers and everything was back to normal for him. The way current force is fighting, they might have closed hormuz back then or might have torn down NPT. Khamenei was a road block.

We're still years away from coexisting with the US. The US needs to learn to coexist with Iran, just like they did with China. However, we need to detonate the bomb for that to happen.

You did not mention a single benefit of targeting schools and hospitals in our neighboring Arab countries for what the US and Israel have done. There's none. It does not establish deterrence, unlike targeting their energy infrastructure.

As I said, and I will reiterate again, the appropriate to such actions is to target places like Dimona, the Weizmann Institute and such. Purposeful targeting of schools and hospitals of Arab countries around us achieves nothing and in fact helps Israel and the US.


Since when Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf are a democracy?
You think killing school children in the Emirates forces the Bin-Zayed family to bow down to public pressure for neutrality? I'm not following your logic at all.

Stupid post because I never have said a single time that Arab children need to be bombed wtf. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said in retaliation, escalation steps needs to be climbed up because they are a party in this war already by fully facilitating or enabling our direct enemy bombing our kids so your extreme love for them is not something I understand. In 12 day war, IRGCASF hit Jew hospitals (Soroka Strike, 1000+ injured in one go) in retaliation only. Qesham desalinization attack came from where was responded in kind promptly. If something like this repeats, IRGC knows what to do. Our words here mean zero.

 

[SABRE]

And if the talks fail they will probably shoot down the plane carrying Iranian officials once they exit Pakistan airspace.

These guys never learn

One way to overcome this concern might be to fly north from Islamabad, into China (meet the leadership there on the sides), and then fly to Iran via the northern route.