Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

Won't that be a major mistake by Iran ? This needs to drag on for a few more weeks, preferably a month for the oil shortages to become visible in countries and the economic and political damage to be permanent. Else all this will be forgotten in six months and Trump/Israel will be back for another bite of the apple in 2027 or 2028.

It's a balancing act. Iran can't make Hormuz alternatives like over-land transport profitable or politically necessary. Hormuz has to maintain its relevance to be used as a pressure point. We've proven we can close it, they will have to account for that in future decision making now.

 

[ParthianLord]

somebody remind the orange clown that khomeini died 40 years ago

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[ShapurII]

Listen, I been a major critic of this governments “strategic” deals with Russia and China. And put China on blast for waiting so long to send humanitarian aid to Iran.

But your entire missile program is still alive due to China. The chemical precursors for both liquid fuel and solid fuel? China. The components that make up these cheap missiles? China. The solid fuel mixers? Also China.

Without China, Iran’s missile program would be much more expensive and slow.

The reality on the ground post war has changed. I expect Russia and China to get closer to Iran because

A) Iran isn’t falling anytime soon — which was their fear for years

B) the reformists are severely weakened and Khamenai is gone — the new leadership is less gonna be “neither east nor west”

Yeah, the internal situation of Iran has definitely improved. So, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see how China will conduct business with Iran post-war.

First and foremost, we need to establish deterrence against future adventurism by the US. If this war leads to a total failure of the US objectives followed by an economic crisis or recession, there's a chance that the Trump administration will be over for good.

 

[Immortals]

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[PakSword]

Iran shouldn't lower the guard at all. Remember they attacked the elementary school during negotiations. These nations (the US and Israel) do not have ethical foundations to begin with.

 

[ShapurII]

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He needs to be put on risperidone.

 

[Immortals]

Yeah, the internal situation of Iran has definitely improved. So, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see how China will conduct business with Iran post-war.

First and foremost, we need to establish deterrence against future adventurism by the US. If this war leads to a total failure of the US objectives followed by an economic crisis or recession, there's a chance that the Trump administration will be over for good.

I’d keep expectations in check for deterrence build up. Airforce is likely never being rebuilt. Navy never rebuilt. Doubling down on missiles, drones, and CMs.

I expect us to move toward more mobile passive air defense systems. Work on building strong infrared based systems that can detect fighter jets at 100KM+ via IR/EO instead of radar that can be hunted during SEAD campaigns. The only air defense system that held up was these IR based ones.

Seeing how Ukraine is hunting S-400 and S-500 in Russia doesn’t bode confidence that these bulky expensive systems can do anything in a major war against US or Israel. I think focus should be on small and fast and nimble and cheap.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Attacks of army drones on Tel Nof air base of the Zionist regime and American bases in the region

Army Public Relations Notice No.40:
The army of the Islamic Republic of Iran targeted the Tel Nof air base of the Zionist regime and the location of the American F-35 and F-15 fighter jets in the Azraq air base with destructive drones from the morning of this morning with the drone units of the land, air and sea forces from different parts of the country.

Tel Nouf Air Base is one of the most vital bases of the Zionist Air Force, which has played a central role in long-range operations and aggression against the Iranian people with its fighter and support squadrons.

The successful air base known as Azraq is one of the most important operational and support centers of the United States and the location and attacks of "F-35" and "F-15" fighters and electronic warfare aircraft against Iran.
@TasnimNews

 

[Immortals]

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[BigMela2onin]

Since when Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf are a democracy?

They're not, that's why there's no benefit to having a friendly populace.

You think killing school children in the Emirates forces the Bin-Zayed family to bow down to public pressure for neutrality? I'm not following your logic at all.

So since you brought up the UAE. Majority of UAE are expats, they will leave rather than live in a warzone. Migrant workers will leave of there's no money to be made. These monarchies want to diversify away from petrochemicals, we can remind them we can take that away just as we can take away the oil and gas and we remind foreign investors that there investment can go up in flames if their leaders continue to make bad decisions. I'm not talking about bombing random schools but you can hit a university lab building on a day with no classes. Hitting banks was a good move along the lines of what I'm suggesting.

 

[Watandar]

It's a balancing act. Iran can't make Hormuz alternatives like over-land transport profitable or politically necessary. Hormuz has to maintain its relevance to be used as a pressure point. We've proven we can close it, they will have to account for that in future decision making now.

By-passing Hormuz will still be problematic as ultimately everything has to go on ships, and those ships are within range of many weapon systems from Iran or Houthis. Pipelines can also be easily sabotaged, that Saudi East-West above ground pipeline is quite fragile.

Trump is just buying time until the Marines/82nd Airborne have arrived and staged and can launch the planned amphibious assaults. The Gulfies / Netanyahu have told him if he quits now he will be leaving them in worst shape with a wounded Iran next door.

I do understand Iran is going through a very hard time but quitting at this stage isn't the best long term play, IMO.

 

[PakSword]

I have a feeling that Trump will unilaterally announce a ceasefire after targeting Iranian power plants.

Israel will then unilaterally get fucked in response.

Israel ke lag gaey

 

[Immortals]

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Interesting location

 

[FUB]

Complete BS. He is manipulating the markets and buying time.

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[ToddE]

Yeah, the internal situation of Iran has definitely improved. So, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see how China will conduct business with Iran post-war.

First and foremost, we need to establish deterrence against future adventurism by the US. If this war leads to a total failure of the US objectives followed by an economic crisis or recession, there's a chance that the Trump administration will be over for good.

Post Trump there will be another Trump and after him another unless US's deep state gets rid of Zio financial grip which ain't happening at all for atleast another 10 years.

IRI's only survival will be open/ambiguous nukes, ICBMs, strategic defence+economic pacts with Russia and China, extremely tight gripped toll regimen over Hormuz.

This will war will be slowly decay into stalemate/IRI's victory (regime survived, undetered military striking back into heart of enemy, Hormuz choke etc). It will be an IRGC led Iran which will no longer be interested in saving Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese against Israel. Khamenei wasted 500 Billion USD on fighting Israel to no avail. I guess new gen leaders will know what not to do.