Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

I just don't see how any form of ground invasion goes well for the US. maybe I'm wrong and Trump has a genius master plan that involves a limited ground invasion for a clear objective and with a clean exit plan, but I doubt it.

Supposed there is a small invasion. Do you think Artesh or IRGC would go easy on them to avoid killing Americans?

 

[Immortals]

Honestly, Iran's winning card in this case is the Persian Gulf missile. It may not be able to sink an aircraft carrier, but it can undoubtedly sink any tanker any day.

A) PG missile doesn’t work

Look at the maneuver an aircraft carrier can do to avoid a BM missile. It’s extremely evasive and they will have 3-5 mins to do it (depending on distance).

You have a much better chance hitting warships and maybe a carrier by luring them in close and making them think your capabilities are decimated and then doing a sneak attack of UGVs, drones, silkworms + C-802 and whatever you got to overwhelm the ship defenses and knock it out of commission.

 

[Immortals]

Really? Didn't see anything about that. From what im reading there seems to be some sort of backroom diplomacy between the two going on to avoid striking KSA, as the Saudis really don't want to get involved.

It could be that the talks are ongoing.

lol what news you reading bro. Saudi Arabia getting hit. Satellite images been coming out (including one patch) and unfortunately with the censor in place we don’t know much as Saudi MoD reports a 100% interception rate.

The only thing Iran has refrained from is not hitting Saudi population centers. But energy faculties and U.S. military bases been getting attacked frequently. Last week Saudi Arabia said over 100 drones were launched in 24 hours at them.

 

[ShapurII]

A) PG missile doesn’t work

Look at the maneuver an aircraft carrier can do to avoid a BM missile. It’s extremely evasive and they will have 3-5 mins to do it (depending on distance).

You have a much better chance hitting warships and maybe a carrier by luring them in close and making them think your capabilities are decimated and then doing a sneak attack of UGVs, drones, silkworms + C-802 and whatever you got to overwhelm the ship defenses and knock it out of commission.

Yeah, but I was suggesting to use the PG missile on oil tankers and containers to keep the strait fully closed. I believe one of Iran's main objectives in such an invasion will be to keep the strait closed.

 

[Aggregate]

“The scope, frequency, and intensity of missile and drone attacks on Israel have further increased, leading to rising casualties and property losses, as well as repeated incidents of people being harmed because they failed to reach bomb shelters in time,” Xinhua quoted the embassy as saying.

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All is fine as per Israeli media though .. nothing to see there ..

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

Wave #3 to Israel

 

[mangekyo]

Look at the maneuver an aircraft carrier can do to avoid a BM missile. It’s extremely evasive and they will have 3-5 mins to do it (depending on distance).

If IRGC can saturate the carrier with enough missiles and drones from multiple directions, it doesn’t really matter what kind of maneuvers the carrier can do. Its not going to sink, but it will get hit and forced to retreat

 

[SolarWarden]

Ohhhh cht! Now Iran has done it Saudi thunder is coming on Iran now you poked the bull now you're getting the Saudi horns. Run! Run for the hills the Saudis are now coming!!!











Does Saudi have a military?

 

[Starlord]

So what...Orthodox Jews are just a tiny percentage of the people who call themselves Jews...and almost all of those "rich Jews" you hear about "controlling everything" are not Orthodox. The non-Orthodox are the real troublemakers in the world.

That part I agree with you, Orthodox Jews are very polite people... In fact I am friends with 2 Jews, 1 Reformists and 1 Reconstructionist, the Reformist are the very racist/Genocidal Jew, Reconstructionist is very liberal and I have interacted with Orthodox ones they are religious and also hate Israel, even more than me which was surprising lol.

 

[Immortals]

Yeah, but I was suggesting to use the PG missile on oil tankers

 

[Mutakalim]

seems KSA is keen to join the war against Iran (formally). Ansarallah is ready to teach them some more lessons.

Then who will teach lessons to PA? Lets pray that we dont have to tread that path as it is not in the interest of all of us.

 

[Navid09]

I don't know. State control over people's lives is scary. China is one scary place in my opinion. Imagine they implement the social credit system in Iran and restrict your internet access based on your social credit. It's just scary and will lead to insane brain drain and much more divide between the people and the system.

As for your arguments:
1. I'm pretty sure foreign elements in Iran can easily find loopholes and security vulnerabilities to stay connected with their coordinators. As you said, if there are VPNs that work, those foreign agents surely have them.

2. People in Iran watch Iran International and Manoto via satellite dishes. As far as I know, jamming the satellite signal hasn't been working well against these channels so far. That's probably why they have millions of viewers within Iran.

My guess was that they cut off the internet to prevent a similar scenario like what happened in the 12-day war. I'm talking about cheap FPVs using Iranian phone operators like IranCell. I think this is probably the most important reason for this restriction and it has worked so far. But if this war lasts for months or even more than a year, what are they going to do? Do you know how many people will get unemployed because of this?

Its a double edged sword. Iran, currently in this war needs to control information for its survival and stability.

But once stable, they could potentially misuse this control. Similar to what is happening in the developed world.

Chinas social credit system could potentially be coming to western world in near future as well, possibly linked to CBDC's for control.

1) it becomes a lot harder to access the internet for even these and also it only works for few hours a day. Also its a lot less traffic now for iran to monitor and go after these israeli assets.

2) i believe manoto has been shut down from satellite broadcasting. Iran international is being tackled by government in many ways, not sure how affective they have been though.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]