Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Sounds like a jet powered drone is being used in Bahrain attacks

 

[Persian Gulf]

seems KSA is keen to join the war against Iran (formally). Ansarallah is ready to teach them some more lessons.

 

[Immortals]

But Iran doesn't use Chabahar or even Qeshm to disrupt shipping. It can do this by firing drones or missiles from anywhere in Iran. Capturing Qeshm exposes US troops to Iranian fire and is a propaganda win, but I don't see how it helps them open the Strait.

The only possible objective I can foresee is that they plan to use the islands as leverage to force Iran to reopen the Strait (i.e., we will return the islands if/when you open the Strait).

I don't think Kharg is a plausible target. It's too small and deep into the Persian Gulf. And IRI would not hesitate to destroy the oil depots there to harm the US troops. IRI is resilient and can survive with lower oil exports for a while. the US has suppressed air defences successfully in south Iran, though, so they could land in Chabahar.

I just don't see how any form of ground invasion goes well for the US. maybe I'm wrong and Trump has a genius master plan that involves a limited ground invasion for a clear objective and with a clean exit plan, but I doubt it.

I think Saudi Arabia + PGCC + Jordan are about to join the war in one major blitzkrieg operation to seize the islands while U.S. tries to clear the coast on the ground.

You will have over 500+ aircraft constantly bombing everywhere along the coastline. Given the amount of air power, large troop formations will be impossible and Iran will have to rely on throwing rockets and drones from a safe distance.

I think Trump is cooking something up, he’s cleared his schedule from Friday onward. And the Arabs have been talking about getting involved and taking a hardline stance against the Iranian government.

 

[That_Guy]

Precisely...a credible AD deterrent is a must have in modern times, ceding your airspace is a death sentence.

Well you can't really compare both here...Ukraine has had the might of the Western world behind it.

It didn't until the Ukrainians proved the Russian's didn't have the capability to take Ukraine.

Ukraine was left to the wolves in the beginning, remember? It took the Europeans and the Americans months to decide if they wanted to send any sort of aid, and even longer to actually get that aid going.

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/price-of-brent-crude-oil-jumps-back-above-100-a-barrel/

Well that band aid came off quick

 

[That_Guy]

seems KSA is keen to join the war against Iran (formally). Ansarallah is ready to teach them some more lessons.

No, I doubt it.

It actually seems that both the Saudis and Iranians are backing off from each other.

I could be wrong, but I think Iranian strikes on Saudi territory may no longer happen going forward.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think Saudi Arabia + PGCC + Jordan are about to join the war in one major blitzkrieg operation to seize the islands while U.S. tries to clear the coast on the ground.

You will have over 500+ aircraft constantly bombing everywhere along the coastline. Given the amount of air power, large troop formations will be impossible and Iran will have to rely on throwing rockets and drones from a safe distance.

I think Trump is cooking something up, he’s cleared his schedule from Friday onward. And the Arabs have been talking about getting involved and taking a hardline stance against the Iranian government.

We can't rule anything out. But I don't see that coming. The Arabs want to respond but they don't want to get involved in such a major war.

Even in the worst case scenario that you are right, Iran retains the ability to fire missiles and drones at the Arab states' desalination plants and power plants. They are extremely reliant on water desalination plants, Iran is not. Their power grids are very centralised and reliant on a few very big power stations - Irans is not.

 

[ShapurII]

But Iran doesn't use Chabahar or even Qeshm to disrupt shipping. It can do this by firing drones or missiles from anywhere in Iran. Capturing Qeshm exposes US troops to Iranian fire and is a propaganda win, but I don't see how it helps them open the Strait.

The only possible objective I can foresee is that they plan to use the islands as leverage to force Iran to reopen the Strait (i.e., we will return the islands if/when you open the Strait).

I don't think Kharg is a plausible target. It's too small and deep into the Persian Gulf. And IRI would not hesitate to destroy the oil depots there to harm the US troops. IRI is resilient and can survive with lower oil exports for a while. the US has suppressed air defences successfully in south Iran, though, so they could land in Chabahar.

I just don't see how any form of ground invasion goes well for the US. maybe I'm wrong and Trump has a genius master plan that involves a limited ground invasion for a clear objective and with a clean exit plan, but I doubt it.

Honestly, Iran's winning card in this case is the Persian Gulf missile. It may not be able to sink an aircraft carrier, but it can undoubtedly sink any tanker any day.

I have good answers for intercepting Iranian drones, anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles or speedboats. But the Persian Gulf missile is really the game changer here.

 

[Immortals]

 

[That_Guy]

Something doesnt add up, Israel allowing an Iranian government official fly to Pak for peace?? I am seriously??

Diplomacy.

The Americans probably told the Israelis to not shoot the plane down.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No, I doubt it.

It actually seems that both the Saudis and Iranians are backing off from each other.

I could be wrong, but I think Iranian strikes on Saudi territory may no longer happen going forward.

Saudi MoD reported shooting down 19 Iranian drones in the last 2 hours

 

[Persian Gulf]

Honestly, Iran's winning card in this case is the Persian Gulf missile. It may not be able to sink an aircraft carrier, but it can undoubtedly sink any tanker any day.

I have good answers for intercepting Iranian drones, anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles or speedboats. But the Persian Gulf missile is really the game changer here.

And the "Tankil" / Zoheir (anti-ship variant of Raad-500 seen in Yemen).

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[That_Guy]

Saudi MoD reported shooting down 19 Iranian drones in the last 2 hours

Really? Didn't see anything about that. From what im reading there seems to be some sort of backroom diplomacy between the two going on to avoid striking KSA, as the Saudis really don't want to get involved.

It could be that the talks are ongoing.

 

[mangekyo]

I just don't see how any form of ground invasion goes well for the US. maybe I'm wrong and Trump has a genius master plan that involves a limited ground invasion for a clear objective and with a clean exit plan, but I doubt it.

Supposed there is a small invasion. Do you think Artesh or IRGC would go easy on them to avoid killing Americans?