Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds



There are a lot of narrative like that floating around globally. But I don't think Trump and his advisors didn't know that Iran was not only going to survive but also sustain the war and inflict pain to the adversaries. Netanyahu certainly knew the progression of this war. There were no illusions about another Venezuela like operation!

But Netanyahu still convinced Trump to launch this war to achieve the minimal goal of Israel which is to militarily and economically degrade Iran for decades to come while Netanyahu would take advantage of the almost three years of Trump in office to gobble up Gaza, south Lebanon, and do something even worse in the West Bank.
The attackers are not naive. They had their goals and they want to achieve those goals. Whether they succeed or not will depend on the resilience and fighting capability of the Iranian nation, which is formidable.
 
Underground shelters perhaps
Never believe Israeli Juice numbers. In a skirmish with Islamic Jihad, Israelis claimed no fatalities. After 7th of October, the mothers of dead soldiers in one city raised pictures of their deceased sons (soldiers) and they were in the #teens. I don't remember the exact number but between 13-19. That skirmish lasted few days only.

We all say the devastation of the attack on Dimona residence and araad or arad. Israelis in their groups claimed over a 100 dead and over a hundred wounded in Dimona only. An Argentinian journalist came out and claimed that the real numbers reach 15,000 dead and wounded but that number cannot be verified due to media blockade in Israel but more likely than 19 all over Israel.
 
You are so right Kharg Island might be a distraction from the real target. I really do hope Russia and Chinese have been able to gather intelligence on Americas true plans and forwarded it to Tehran.

The fact that they don’t already have ground troops in place before they started bombing makes me think that they didn’t think this thing all the way through..we’re they really expecting to air strike Iran in to submission.
Kharj Island is a potential target as it puts pressure on Iranian Energy revenues but enemy will not be able to smuggle anything from it. Iran might respond by destroying US allies energy infrastructure or put ground troops on GCC countries when the time is right.

Another target is the surrounding area of Strait of H as it is the chocking point that strangles the West and the assassination of IRGC Navy General was the starting point to disrupt the defenses. UAE might join and go full retard.

Also, you have the missile cities which house Iran's Ace weapon in the war so far. If Iran cannot launch, it is basically over.

Unless they know if there is enriched uranium somewhere, they will not go and dig for it. I could be wrong.
 
Iran fell for the same trick as Hezbollah,s Nasrullah. So no more negotiations. Keep your guard up with a thumb on missile launcher button.
1) The US made an offer that required the Iranian side to discuss details.

2) Iran held a meeting to discuss the offer and develop a negotiation strategy.

3) The US struck the meeting, killing many officials, including Khamenei.

—) Negotiations were used as a weapon to gather them all in one room while they felt safe.

It’s the 2nd or 3rd time this trick has worked.
 
So, besides losing more people to assassinations, what has happened since last night?
Is Iran negotiating with the US or not?
 
If true…Iran still doing large in person meetings….unbelievable


They don't have a choice. Any electronic use the US will know, geo-locate and kill. It's likely he or his staff used an electronic device to communicate and was taken out.
 






...(continue)... Pakistan informed US that if Israel kills Abbas Aragchi and Ghalibaf, there will be no one left in Iran to talk to. Iran will be taken over by the hardcore IRGC commanders.

At this, US intervened and stopped Israel from carrying out strikes to eliminate Aragchi and Ghalibaf. "

- Pakistani official to Reuters
 
Well looks like on the coming weekend ground invasion is coming.All signals are pointing in that direction.
So, nothing has changed since yesterday. Reformists in Iran seem to think that talks are going to happen. I don't know who to believe anymore.

They don't have a choice. Any electronic use the US will know, geo-locate and kill. It's likely he or his staff used an electronic device to communicate and was taken out.
They should switch to Chinese encrypted satellite phones, assuming that China can be trusted.
 
This is one of the most extraordinary diplomatic disclosures of the entire war. Read what actually happened here.

Israel had targeting coordinates for both Araghchi and Qalibaf. Active targeting. Coordinates confirmed. Elimination imminent. Pakistan’s intelligence detected the Israeli plan. Pakistan went directly to Washington with one argument: if you let Israel kill these two men, there is no one left in Iran with any civilian authority capable of signing anything. The IRGC hardliners take over completely and permanently.

Washington agreed and ordered Israel to stand down.

That sequence reveals several things simultaneously that have not been this visible before.

First, Pakistan’s intelligence services are running surveillance on Israeli targeting operations close enough to detect imminent strikes on specific individuals. That is an extraordinary intelligence capability being openly deployed in a diplomatic context.

Second, the US has genuine operational control over Israeli targeting decisions when it chooses to exercise it. Israel had coordinates and intent. Washington said no and Israel stopped. That relationship and its limits is now publicly documented.

Third, and most significantly, the US assessment is that Araghchi and Qalibaf are the last viable civilian interlocutors in Iran. Every other figure capable of delivering an agreement has been killed. Larijani gone. Defense Minister gone. SNSC Secretary gone. IRGC commander gone. Intelligence Minister gone. IRGC Navy commander killed this morning. The list of people Washington can negotiate with is now exactly two names long and Israel had targeting coordinates for both of them this morning.

The WSJ confirmed they have been removed from the hit list for four to five days. That is the precise duration of the diplomatic window. When the window expires Saturday and no deal is reached, the question of whether those two names go back on the list becomes the most consequential single decision of this war.

Pakistan just saved the last negotiating channel that exists. For now.



 

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