Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Rumors of peace accords for ceasefire being finalized but with Iranian toll/control over Hormuz.

Its a trap.

 

[Piet]

The real goal for Irán is to overthrown Donald Trump as a President.
Irán cannot perform reach any agreement with someone that broke his compromises two times.

Iran is not going to overthrow Pres Trump. Not directly at least.

This could be achieved by internal forces within the US itself - such as by Art 25 of their constitution.

Or, if Trump really intends to bomb Iran into 'hell' tomorrow. And by any heavy and targeted response from Iran.

Not only is the US, Israel and members of the GCC not impervious to such an event, but the entire world is - economically at least - is at der kippe stehen (tipping point).

What worries me is if Iran decides that it has no other choice but to launch its 'final option' missile(s). I will let the reader draw his or her own conclusion as to what such an option might entail.

Depending on the severity of Trumps threatening military strikes tomorrow is if Israel has come to its red line of absorbable punishment regarding its civilian and military centers. Then all bets are off- even if Israel deploys even tactical low-yield nukes.

In this event kiss the NPT and MTCR goodbye. Really, if North Korea did not possess nukes and ICBM's it would long ago been bombed into oblivion.

Thus, look to medium size countries discard these two one-sided, out of date treaties - declares force majeure, and start building their own nukes - tactical ones at least - and the required delivery weapons. Lest some future major power tries to repeat the same thing.

And the rest of the international community must not then resort to throwing mud at each other as they will collectively be responsible if something like this happens.

Another point of Trump being removed from office is if Iran also blocks the southern Red Sea and Gulf of Aden, especially the Bab el-Mandeb Strait through its Houthi proxy forces.

Imagine the catastrophic effect this will have on the entire world.

Here in my own country the Fuels Industry Association has already warned motorists against taking on more fuel than they need at the pumps.

At this point the international community will surely call a halt to the war against Iran, through means of punitive sanctions - their hands being forced by economic calamity and fed-up populations.

The world today is really staring into the abyss. Hope the abyss does not stare back.

Piet.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Don’t get too excited guys

 

[Majestic]

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[Aziqbal]

Someone high up in the Pakistan Army is on the phone to JD Vance , Witcoff and Araghchi

Pakistan proposes a ceasefire immediately

Iran said no and also said no to opening straits of Hormuz

USA proposal ceasefire now and permanent end in a few more days

Israeli are not happy pushing Americans into more war

Israeli also pushing Arabs and GCC to attack Iran

Iran has shot down 2 Chinese drones which are only operated by a few Arab countries including Saudi Arabia

Saudi has told Pakistan they are not involved so this could mean its UAE

The situation is about to get out of control unless someone seriously doesn’t push both sides to some common sense

End this war now and Israel must pay for the damage caused to Iran

 

[Starlord]

I hope the news about "Islamabad Accords" is true, All sides needs to calm their Tits down a little bit, region has seen enough death and destruction already. Its time that all sides make some compromises and set aside their tiny dick size ego's so the people, innocent people can start rebuilding their lives.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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as usual Artesh simply does not exist and Iran does not have an army

so random civilians and tribesmen have to do their job for them

I respect Amir Hatami but this is a shit show and Artesh must be dissolved or merged with the IRGC

What is "Artesh"?

 

[hasssanali8998]

What is "Artesh"?

irans normal army

 

[MH.Yang]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

 

[ToddE]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

Anything short of extreme deterrence of military, intelligence, economic nature i.e. Nukes (invincible delivery mechanism demonstrated), reciprocating assassinations, permanent choke-hold over S of H and Red Sea .. will mean we will soon see True promise 5 in few months or weeks. Commitments mean nothing here. These people run the world so whoever gives these guarantees might itself be gripped by the balls by the very same people we are fighting against.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms. ...

I heard that the Strait of Hormuz are the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, and that they're not international waters.

Is that true?

If so, why doesn't Iran (and Oman) have more legal and territorial control over it?

 

[ToddE]

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

None

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

They might push for Russo-Sino involvement but thats a trap itself because West will like to test Chinese and Russian resolve by against starting the war.

Only guarantee will come from strength to severely hurt back

 

[baqai]

to be honest, we all know that any agreement will be breached and shredded to pieces by USA and Israel, i would rather not have Pakistan associated with such treason unless we have certainty that none of the parties will break the deal

Iran is right in protecting its interest and blocking the straits while it is in interest of the rest of the world to have immediate ceasefire and open the straits

 

[Indos]

Yup temporarily cease fire is the way they want to get all tankers and ship leave Hormuz. As the ships and tankers which getting stuck there are basically Iranian leverage at the moment

Better wait for real ending the war proposal