Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aziqbal]

Someone high up in the Pakistan Army is on the phone to JD Vance , Witcoff and Araghchi

Pakistan proposes a ceasefire immediately

Iran said no and also said no to opening straits of Hormuz

USA proposal ceasefire now and permanent end in a few more days

Israeli are not happy pushing Americans into more war

Israeli also pushing Arabs and GCC to attack Iran

Iran has shot down 2 Chinese drones which are only operated by a few Arab countries including Saudi Arabia

Saudi has told Pakistan they are not involved so this could mean its UAE

The situation is about to get out of control unless someone seriously doesn’t push both sides to some common sense

End this war now and Israel must pay for the damage caused to Iran

 

[Starlord]

I hope the news about "Islamabad Accords" is true, All sides needs to calm their Tits down a little bit, region has seen enough death and destruction already. Its time that all sides make some compromises and set aside their tiny dick size ego's so the people, innocent people can start rebuilding their lives.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

as usual Artesh simply does not exist and Iran does not have an army

so random civilians and tribesmen have to do their job for them

I respect Amir Hatami but this is a shit show and Artesh must be dissolved or merged with the IRGC

What is "Artesh"?

 

[hasssanali8998]

What is "Artesh"?

irans normal army

 

[MH.Yang]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

 

[ToddE]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

Anything short of extreme deterrence of military, intelligence, economic nature i.e. Nukes (invincible delivery mechanism demonstrated), reciprocating assassinations, permanent choke-hold over S of H and Red Sea .. will mean we will soon see True promise 5 in few months or weeks. Commitments mean nothing here. These people run the world so whoever gives these guarantees might itself be gripped by the balls by the very same people we are fighting against.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms. ...

I heard that the Strait of Hormuz are the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, and that they're not international waters.

Is that true?

If so, why doesn't Iran (and Oman) have more legal and territorial control over it?

 

[ToddE]

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

None

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

They might push for Russo-Sino involvement but thats a trap itself because West will like to test Chinese and Russian resolve by against starting the war.

Only guarantee will come from strength to severely hurt back

 

[baqai]

to be honest, we all know that any agreement will be breached and shredded to pieces by USA and Israel, i would rather not have Pakistan associated with such treason unless we have certainty that none of the parties will break the deal

Iran is right in protecting its interest and blocking the straits while it is in interest of the rest of the world to have immediate ceasefire and open the straits

 

[Indos]

Yup temporarily cease fire is the way they want to get all tankers and ship leave Hormuz. As the ships and tankers which getting stuck there are basically Iranian leverage at the moment

Better wait for real ending the war proposal

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I hope the news about "Islamabad Accords" is true, All sides needs to calm their Tits down a little bit, region has seen enough death and destruction already. Its time that all sides make some compromises and set aside their tiny dick size ego's so the people, innocent people can start rebuilding their lives.

It would also help if the americans/israelis stop murdering Iranian civilians.

 

[MH.Yang]

None



They might push for Russo-Sino involvement but thats a trap itself because West will like to test Chinese and Russian resolve by against starting the war.

Only guarantee will come from strength to severely hurt back

Why does Russia want to prevent the war that causes oil prices to rise?

Monopolizing photovoltaics, EV, Why does China, with its drone and other power industries, want to block a war that destroys the oil industry?

Even in terms of oil security, the domestic diesel prices in China have only risen by 0.13 CNY (2 cents) so far, without feeling any threat or pain. How can China have the motivation to stop this war?

China's coal reserves rank first in the world, four times that of the second place, and the coal refining industry is likely to be reactivated. Wait. What reasons can make China stop the war for the benefit of the United States?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

PLEASE PLEASE Iran defeat these racist americans, israelis and other goreh scumbags.

 

[Vapnope]

Couldnt stop myself from sharing.