Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Fasbre2]

to be honest, we all know that any agreement will be breached and shredded to pieces by USA and Israel, i would rather not have Pakistan associated with such treason unless we have certainty that none of the parties will break the deal

Iran is right in protecting its interest and blocking the straits while it is in interest of the rest of the world to have immediate ceasefire and open

All this talk of ceasefire.. what about the joker in the pack, the entity. Ceasefire is of no use if the entity will do as it wishes bombing Iran with impunity under the cover of big brother.
To prevent entity from attacking Iran, one condition which no doubt would be unacceptable to US and entity would be withdrawal of all US bases from ME including from the entity..

At the least the demand should include removal of US strategic assets that would facilitate further attacks on Iran by the entity..

Also why is Iran in negotiations not linking its nuclear program with dismantling of the entities.. Similarly, link any demand on reduction of its ballistic missile program to that of the entities.. it would ease a lot of pressure during negotiations .. as we know the entity would never accept reciprocal demands. So the only solution would be maintenance of the status quo..

 

[Persian Gulf]

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

Everyone is loyal to Mojtaba if he is still alive and communicating

Otherwise, SNSC

 

[Mutakalim]

Maybe the fall was promised to her 3000 years ago.

 

[vizier]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

Ballistic missiles, drones and support for allied groups in the region are all redlines for Iran. If they are not off the table after ceasefire then it means this is just a round break that cannot be prolonged further than a few weeks which Iran wont accept to not to lose any leverages gained in Hurmuz.

Nuclear was being negotiated and can be negotiated as you said. Iran can gain some additional time on Hurmuz case. There is ongoing negotiations with Oman and within several days or more the framework of control of Hurmuz can be finalized which is under legal right of both countries. After that the new regulations would be accepted as well legally. The leaving of ships can be slowed down so that ceasefire can be prolonged.

if ceasefire happens usa should accept not bring additional forces af,navy or land to any base within 2500km. As long as ceasefire continues negotiations about nuclear can continue in parallel and hurmuz final solution reached by Oman and Iran would be the legalised norm for that area. Gcc can build pipelines in future bypassing that if the gcc wants to evade regulations.

Forcing declaring the end of campaign would be the best but maybe trump wont accept it. But a prolonged ceasefire that they cant bring additional forces like ad,af,land,navy nearby like to gcc+israel and only nuclear negotiations would freeze the conflict for a long time.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Severe damage to 3 separate oil / gas facilities in the UAE with fires at each facility visible from space

 

[Aziqbal]

Iran has said it’s studying the Islamabad accord and will put it to the Supreme Council before it goes to the Supreme leader for approval

Pakistan has reiterated that Pakistans role is to avoid a bigger war at all costs and will not short cut Iran in these deals and will ensure Iran is respected as a regional and global power

Saudi Arabia is very much on Pakistanis side here very proactive

Pakistan has never ever showed any interest in expanding its influence in the Middle East and has never engaged in a war with any Islamic nation and never will

The only time was when King Fahd of Saudi Arabia requested the immediate arrival of Pakistan army in the 1991 Gulf War and Saddams invasion of Kuwait

Pakistan did send 11,000 troops under the condition that they will never engage their Iraqi brothers in combat at any cost and they stayed at King Khalid Military City at Al Batin until the end of the war

Pakistans historical stance should be considered by Middle East nations as a trustworthy and reliable peace broker

There is absolutely nothing to gain for Pakistan in this war

Pakistan is being a true and fair party to the talks and conflict

And also have the ability to launch by sea , air and land over 300+ nuclear warheads

It’s not a soft nation but a nation calling for Muslim and Islamic unity

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

I think he is hiding in some bushes or Cavs etc. They are trained for that scenario. ...

The American extraction team deployed A-10s and MQ9 Reaper drones to create a 3 km radius around the pilot so locals could not get close to him.

 

[ety]

Why does Russia want to prevent the war that causes oil prices to rise?

Monopolizing photovoltaics, EV, Why does China, with its drone and other power industries, want to block a war that destroys the oil industry?

Even in terms of oil security, the domestic diesel prices in China have only risen by 0.13 CNY (2 cents) so far, without feeling any threat or pain. How can China have the motivation to stop this war?

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I guess in long term, the war does affect China's energy supplies imports, just how big. The question is can China readily replace the shortages with other sources such as green energies in time ? But, I think China can get by with coal use as the backup in worst case.

 

[Zoyou]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sharjah now

 

[Master Chief]

to be honest, we all know that any agreement will be breached and shredded to pieces by USA and Israel, i would rather not have Pakistan associated with such treason unless we have certainty that none of the parties will break the deal

Iran is right in protecting its interest and blocking the straits while it is in interest of the rest of the world to have immediate ceasefire and open the straits

Pakistan is doing the honourable thing to try and push for a solution but in reality, there is little ANY nation can offer the belligerents because nobody can be a guantor in these circumstances. Iran is right to reject any ceasefire in this context because USA and Israel will simply not adhere to the concept of a ceasefire.

 

[Ali_Baba]

lol

They think they can start a war whenever and end it at their time of choosing, just to go back and attack later in the same year

I don't think Iran really cares what people think at this point, we are in the depths of the cold calculus of war right now.

 

[PakistanLVR]

The US and the entity will literally plan to re-attack Iran, this time likely using the sham protests to incite a riot and then re-start the war. Their time was off in January. If Iran can, it needs to do what it is doing conventionally before any "ceasefire" and then test the Nukes (if they have the capacity) during the "ceasefire." One the empire sets it eyes on something, it will take something like Vietnam 1973 and Afghanistan 2021 to throw it out of the region. Iran can degrade their capacities in the region in the meantime so there's no motivation to come back and rebuilt. @Aziqbal is 100% right about the financial controls over the world. Need to make sure Iraq is selling its oil in Chinese currency as the oil funds go directly into the US coffer. Just as a neutral observer.

 

[MH.Yang]

Everyone is loyal to Mojtaba if he is still alive and communicating

Otherwise, SNSC

According to historical experience, under normal circumstances, whoever can lead Iran to victory in war is the next leader of Iran. This is almost an inevitable development trend for every nation-state. So the biggest strategic mistake of the United States is to kill Khamenei, which happens to be what Israel wants to see the most.

 

[mangekyo]

Rumors of peace accords for ceasefire being finalized but with Iranian toll/control over Hormuz.

Its a trap.

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