Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

From Iran's point of view, a ceasefire means NOTHING. Does ANYONE honestly believe that the americans and israelis will honour the ceasefire conditions? They will NEVER honour it and NO-ONE in the world can make them honour it either. The ONLY sensible outcome left is for Iran to comprehensively defeat america and israel so they can never attack them again and then for Iran to become a nuclear weapons state. There are NO OTHER options left for Iran.

Iran has the upper hand now so they should continue fighting the americans and israelis until they are comprehensively defeated.
 
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US Central Command has released footage of the downing of an Iranian Mohajer-6 reconnaissance and attack UAV. The location of the footage was not disclosed. The Mohajer-6 was presumably shot down by US aircraft. The Mohajer-6 UAV has been produced in Iran since 2017 and is designed for reconnaissance, surveillance, and fire support. The Mohajer-6 has been used in combat in Iraq, Syria, and Ethiopia, where it has proven itself.

 
MH.Yang said:
A common sense.

Oil only has monopolistic commercial value when its price is below $80.

The coal refining technology is already very mature, and coal is not a scarce resource. When the oil price exceeds $80, coal refining will begin to enter the market, and when the oil price exceeds $100, coal refining technology will begin to take over the main energy market.
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no, just no.
 
Emirzad said:
Good points but remember Sino-Russo gain from continuation war can turn soon into security challenges if IRI falls.

Russia would not want Shah back in Tehran running Project Dark gene 2.0 where USSR had to allocate billions of USD in 1970s to tackle threat in south, the same threat they had fought 13 wars in 300 years.

Chinese would not want a HUGE problem in OBOR and also the fact that 17-20% of their oil would then have to be purchased against paper currency USD which they will have to buy from CBA in Washington against actual resources.

Elongated war where dauntles IRI keeps on giving burns to west favors Russia and China like you are saying (happening right now) but IRI's defeat will mean defeat of Russia and China in ME/CA. West is moralless and vicious and you are untested against them.
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Yes.

The biggest danger to China from this war comes from the danger of the Iranian government being overthrown, as well as the disruption of China's B&R strategy.

There is actually another danger that all Iranians overlook. Isn't Iran worried about the UAE and Oman building canals?
 
MH.Yang said:
Brzezinski once listed China, Russia, and Iran as the Big Triangle countries that could threaten US hegemony. Why can Iran be on par with China and Russia? Of course, it's because of the strait.

Now is the opportunity for Iran to use the strait to make the world aware of its importance, and all accusations and insults will be borne by Trump and Israel.
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That's a pretty weak Big Triangle to lean on if pipelines were simply built to bypass the strait. It's not like they don't have the money to do it. It's just that they didn't invest heavily in it (yes they have the single Red Sea pipe).
 
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Temporary Ceasefire: let's see who it benefits the most:
US/Isr: get all the ships out of SOH, plenty of Oil for next few months. Just remember the oil flow hasn't stopped/reduced yet, it is due to start impacting in few weeks' time and that's because the ship that left SOH prior to the war starting are still arriving at their destinations with Oil, especially Europe/America, Far East etc and Oil reserves that have been tapped into. The real effect is starting to kick in shortly.
Time to regroup, reenergise, rearm: get the navy ships out and replace their crew, get more carrier groups in and send the existing ones home.
Get the interceptors from Rest of Wolrd in to ME and position them in. Maintenance on jets, logistics etc, ramp up production of missiles, ammunition and get it in place (USA is able to do this rather quickly)
And then they'll be back with a BANG and Iran is going to suffer 10 x worse.
What will Iran get during this Ceasefire?
Reprieve from bombardments, but that's about it. Realistically they can't ramp up production and regroup etc, as their infrastructure is badly damaged, and their missile cities are underground and currently running (I hope so). Russia will do F All, but will most certainly issue sweet and loving statements. China? I don't even know tbh, I doubt they'd offer much help. Pakistan? Well we don't really have anything tangible to offer Iran unfortunately, other than perhaps intelligence. Who else have I missed out?
So unfortunately for Iran Ceasefire, as much as its needed, isn't in Iran's favour currently. I know you guys are struggling and anyone with morals is on your side, but as things stand, you're better off at it. The other side is in deep sh*t, especially that tiny little illegal state and now is the time to pound these BCs. I wish you all the best and i hope my country (Pak) is supporting you in any shape/form.
 
Two facts must be confirmed:
In a few years, pipelines bypassing the Hormuz will be built in every GCC, rendering the blockade of the Hormuz an unusable card.
In a few years, US production of interceptor and cruise missiles will increase several times over, making it impossible for Iran to resist.
Therefore, a ceasefire now would certainly lead to Iran's demise within the next two to three years.
If Iran lacks the plan and courage to develop nuclear weapons after a ceasefire, then continuing the war is the only logical conclusion.
 
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