Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Indos]

All this talk of ceasefire.. what about the joker in the pack, the entity. Ceasefire is of no use if the entity will do as it wishes bombing Iran with impunity under the cover of big brother.
To prevent entity from attacking Iran, one condition which no doubt would be unacceptable to US and entity would be withdrawal of all US bases from ME including from the entity..

At the least the demand should include removal of US strategic assets that would facilitate further attacks on Iran by the entity..

US military base in Gulf Countries are already proven to be of no use in real war situation. It is not protected properly by US either, showing its more on simbolic asset rather than strategic asset.

Demanding the closure will prolong the war and this will hurt common Iranian. No way US under Trump will accept it

I think the end of war and Iran take tarrif on ships who travel via Hormuz will be the one that can save the face of both parties

 

[sharreman10]

Why would Iran agree to a ceasefire?

 

[Aziqbal]

On a personal note

I wonder if Pakistan can propose the end to the war in Lebanon and with full Israeli withdrawal

And also the end to the suffering of Palestinians

If Iran can tie this in to the end conditions it would greatly ease the suffering for these people because Iran and Pakistan backed by China are not small powers

But Americans can be convinced but Israelis would never accept these terms

I hope a bigger solution is found otherwise this will go on and on

Iran has the upper hand and Americans have the weaker hand

Straits of Hormuz is closed and this opportunity will not come again we are not going get this chance again

This is our one and only chance to solve the bigger problem which is Israel

After this there is no opportunity or chance

This is the Golden opportunity

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Rumors of peace accords for ceasefire being finalized but with Iranian toll/control over Hormuz.

Its a trap.

Anything temporary is a trap. Anything less than US commitment to leave is a trap.

The vessels clearing the gulf takeaway existing leverage. A vessel must not exit without another entering. Clearance of vessels at a certain point by Iranian or perhaps even Omani/Iranian joint customs mechanism that makes sure that these are not being used for aggression against the regional states. A visible and verifiable drawdown of US/Israeli posture to a distance and an eye on preventing future build up(critical mass) at stand off ranges for offensive purposes.

There is no TRUST! There cannot be anything less...
And, what has happened already ensures there wouldn't be any trust in the future. Things must be manifest and indubitable!

 

[ToddE]

Monopolizing photovoltaics, EV, Why does China, with its drone and other power industries, want to block a war that destroys the oil industry?

Even in terms of oil security, the domestic diesel prices in China have only risen by 0.13 CNY (2 cents) so far, without feeling any threat or pain. How can China have the motivation to stop this war?

China's coal reserves rank first in the world, four times that of the second place, and the coal refining industry is likely to be reactivated. Wait. What reasons can make China stop the war for the benefit of the United States?


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Good points but remember Sino-Russo gain from continuation war can turn soon into security challenges if IRI falls.

Russia would not want Shah back in Tehran running Project Dark gene 2.0 where USSR had to allocate billions of USD in 1970s to tackle threat in south, the same threat they had fought 13 wars with in 300 years.

Chinese would not want a HUGE problem in OBOR and also the fact that 17-20% of their oil would then have to be purchased against paper currency USD which they will have to buy from CBA in Washington against actual resources. Would Xi want that ?

Elongated war where a dauntless IRI keeps on giving burns to west favors Russia and China like you are saying (happening right now) but IRI's defeat will mean defeat of Russia and China in ME/CA. West is moralless and vicious and you are untested against them.

 

[PakSword]

It's a trap! it's a trap!

 

[ToddE]

I’ve got two words for you. Market Manipulation.

Hence the trap I mentioned.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

It's a trap! it's a trap!

 

[ShapurII]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

There is no way in God's heaven that Iran with the Islamic Republic would survive any scenario that does not involve going nuclear.

If Iran agrees to talk about the nuclear issue, the Islamic Republic will end before Trump leaves the office.

 

[Aziqbal]

Pakistan is doing the honourable thing to try and push for a solution but in reality, there is little ANY nation can offer the belligerents because nobody can be a guantor in these circumstances. Iran is right to reject any ceasefire in this context because USA and Israel will simply not adhere to the concept of a ceasefire.

Chinese are backing Pakistan and Pakistan is not a small power

Saudi also is on board with Pakistan

 

[MH.Yang]

I guess in long term, the war does affect China's energy supplies imports, just how big. The question is can China readily replace the shortages with other sources such as green energies in time ? But, I think China can get by with coal use as the backup in worst case.

I guess in long term, the war does affect China's energy supplies imports, just how big. The question is can China readily replace the shortages with other sources such as green energies in time ? But, I think China can get by with coal use as the backup in worst case.

Yes. Many people either unintentionally or intentionally ignore coal refining technology. In fact, China's coal reserves rank first in the world, and as long as the oil price exceeds $100, coal refining technology can make China an exporter of oil.

 

[StormBreaker]

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Sharjah now

Just a normal warehouse fire. It’s quite a routine in sharjah industrial area.

 

[ShapurII]

I have two questions.

May I ask which Iranian politician currently has the ability to persuade all Iranian armed groups to cease fire?

What kind of guarantee does Iran need to obtain in order to believe that it is a permanent ceasefire?

The US should shut down all its bases in the GCC states and does not have stationed military forces in a 2,000 km radius of Iran. Any violation of this should be legally seen as a preparation for war and guarantees Iran the right to a pre-emptive strike.

That's the only guarantee, other than going nuclear, that can ensure the war will not be resumed later.

 

[PakSword]

Talk of ceasefire is because it's Monday morning in the US.

 

[sharreman10]