Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
I have been here for 15 years or possibly more. So, yeah, after 15 years of discussing politics with the Pakistanis, I understand a thing or two about it.

I don't get your rant about the representation of the Shiite in the Pakistani system of governance. I didn't even talk about it and it doesn't matter to me. I don't get its relevance here either.

Pakistan does not have any means of being more than a messenger in this so-called Accord. First of all, Pakistan is not a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Hence, if this so-called "Accord" is even agreed upon by both sides, and it gets violated by the US tomorrow, Pakistan will be nothing by a bystander per international law.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have a military weight that enables it to challenge the United States in a future conflict with Iran. Sure, you have nuclear weapons but your nuclear arsenal is not even remotely comparable to the US arsenal. And your conventional capabilities do not match the US capabilities either. Your air force is good against an incompetent regional power like India, but will be obliterated against the USAF and USN. You are a regional power at best.

Your ceasefire proposal was one-sided. I don't need to be able to read the minds of Pakistani politicians to see that. Iran gets nothing certain from that deal, literally nothing, while the US achieves one of their main objects in the first step of the deal, i.e. to open the Strait of Hormuz, and they can replenish their depleted ABMs. Also, there is no reason for Iran to agree to US nuclear demands when the US has failed to achieve them through war. So, yes. It is one-sided and you drafted that deal with the presence of KSA, which is a belligerent state in this war.
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In a world where assassinations of leaders and civilian targets are announced openly, do u think Iran should really care about the UNSC? Iran's defense establishment understands Pakistan's real capabilities—more nuanced than you think.
 
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Heavy hits. By tuesday night this region is going very dark...🥴
 
sharreman10 said:
I don't know man Trump seem kinda desperate.
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He does not have the feeling of win, a capitulation, surrender, no photo ops... the last optics of destroyed air assets and failed attempt of securing UF6 is going to piss him off even more, if ceasefire happened, it will be considered a defeat and he will lose the elections.
 
Eşbah said:
The future is belongs to advanced technological systems.
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I think the future will belong to the nation(s) that can adapt to realities
And pivot quickly. Which is a mixture of both high end systems for HVTs and low cost systems to degrade the opponent and raise costs. We see it playing out in Ukraine as Ukrainian engineers rapidly prototype and deploy.

Also the rise of superintelligence AI in next 5-10 years will increase parity of nations as AI war planners will constantly help engineers build counter inventions to stymie their opponent.

So in short, the country at most risk is America due to its bloated debt and democratization of AI allowing other countries to catch up. Plus cheap weapon systems that can counter system 10-100x more expensive
 
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ShapurII said:
The people of Pakistan, both Sunni and Shiite, are widely pro-Iran in this war and I don't doubt their sincerity in this. I don't think the same is true about the Pakistani system though. The situation is very complicated.
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At the Strategic level, Pakistan’s system has always been pro Iran & it will remain so.
 
MH.Yang said:
In 2016, Saudi Arabia and the Houthis reached a ceasefire agreement, which was torn apart in December 2018. The transaction of WL-2 production line occurred in 2017.

China has always been committed to reconciliation between Iran and the Arab world, and its position of hoping for unity among Islamic countries in China is well-known. Under the mediation of China, Iran and Saudi Arabia will resume diplomatic relations in 2023. China has not unilaterally supported Iran, which is a fact, but China has also not unilaterally supported Saudi Arabia. China's position has always been to demand that the two countries resume diplomacy and reunite.

There is no official news that Iran has purchased J-10C from China. The only news is that the Chinese government stated on March 2, 2026 that Iran has not requested to purchase CM-302 from China. However, there has been no official news about the J-10C, no evidence to prove that Iran has made a purchase request, no evidence to prove that China has refused the request, and it is even possible that Iran has secretly purchased it. Do you know how long Pakistani pilots secretly trained in China before revealing that they purchased J-10C?
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China has helped Saudi Arabia establish a missile force to counter Iran. That sounds like unilateral support to me.

By the way, thanks for your mediation between Saudi Arabia and Iran. It worked wonders for us! As you can see, Saudi Arabia is not the main financer of this war now! Thank you for that again.

So, it's an issue of dishonesty, it seems. I never said Iran had purchased J-10C's. You said China offered Iran to buy J-10s. I told you that you offered us J-10As and we refused it because of obvious reasons like the engine and the outdated pulse-doppler radar. We then asked you to sell us J-10Cs and you refused. Now let's see what sort of mental gymnastic you will come up with next time.
 
mangekyo said:
What’s the Chinese government and publics view on Irans retaliation against Arab countries hosting US bases? What’s your personal view?
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If you ask the Chinese people how they view this war, it is now the internet age, and you can see it in the comments on the platform account of the Iranian Embassy in China (Weibo, Douyin), and you will get the answer. Or you can also get the answer from the platform account of the Israeli Embassy in China.
An Iranian who has lived in China for a long time streams on the Bilibili platform, and his channel is also very interesting.
 
tsunset said:
Pakistan should distance itself from any deal, because the US/Israel will break and violate it at some point and Pakistan will be involved in this mess and seen as a traitor and be powerless about it

Unless this is a treaty recognized by the UN with solid guarantees, Pakistan should not be involved into this mess
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With all due respect, No, brother.

if the Iranians have asked us to stand with them diplomatically, we should like we have.

Iran is our neighbour, and we should continue to aid them diplomatically, and to the best of our ability against the US/Israel.

I don't believe neither the GCC nor Iran with a combined population of 152 million people want to completely destroy each each, just so the only victor left after this conflict is Israel. Nobody wants that.
 
Kharral said:
At the Strategic level, Pakistan’s system has always been pro Iran & it will remain so.
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When it concerns Israel, I agree with you 100%, but things start to get tricky when Saudi Arabia gets involved. It's sort of like a love triangle.

Also, Pakistan wants to, and has to, maintain good relations with the US and I don't blame you for that. It's only reasonable and fair to pursue your interests.
 
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