Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[EugeneP]

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I am less sanguine about it. If tomorrow's planned action comes along, I am expecting $8 gas. I have to show more love to my old compact car if I hate looking at 3 digits when filling my SUV.

 

[gambit]

War is the continuation of politics by other means!
Carl von Clausewitz.
Politics my guy...
Or you quoting some clusterfritz?
In bolds too...

The original is 'policy', not politics.

I strongly recommend these two books:

On Wars by Michael Mann
The Rage To Conquer by Michael Walsh

After reading them, I understood the difference between 'policy' and 'politics' are not to be mixed. Wars are not the results of failure of politics. The option for war is ALWAYS at the germination of policy.

 

[Olympus81]

This is absurd.

The US and Zios are openly saying they are ready to attack Iran’s energy infrastructure. Thats a slamdunk going into war criminal territory.

And what does one think Iran will do? Sit idle? This would mean all GCC and Zio energy and water infrastructure fed into Iranian missiles target bank and ready to be launched.

The Americans really need to reign in the Orange guy and the administration should grab the Zios by their throats and retreat to 67 border for lasting peace with their neighbors. But the Evangalical Christians and Zionists just want perpetual war.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Hostility of PGCC comes from being Iranian and Shiite.

If Iran was a Sunni country, the entire Middle East would be fighting Israel right now.

But the monarchs were always afraid that Shiite religious fervor would come into their own countries and overthrow them. Because Shiite Religious countries don’t believe in the concept of “Kings”.

That it’s. That’s why they don’t like Iran. Most of Saudi Arabia’s rich oil fields are…..on Shiite population grounds. They are marginalized inside the country and Saudi Arabia always feared Iran would stir unrest there.

We're taking it in a whole different direction and a rabit hole that is not the subject of this thread. Suffice to say the Saudi monarchy came in with it's own agenda on the backs of foreign patronage... they were co-opted because they were weak and that weakness was leveraged by amplifying hostility in the region, namely Iran. How many battles have Gulf Arabs and Iranians fought in last several hundred years?

And that right there is your answer. Zion doesn't just play states, it plays communities(ethnic, linguistic, religious) within them... promotes culture wars where they do not matter.

 

[Immortals]

U.S. base in Syria damaged

 

[vizier]

Everyone knows none of the Arab Monarchs are actually religious in any sense of the word. They just share power with the clerical Wahhabis establishment to keep their local populations sedated.

Yes and what is worse than that is actively collaborating with zios to destabilise the region working against muslims with their petro dollar resources posing as custodians. Total hypocricy.

 

[Abdul q]

US Losses in the 2026 Iran War
Operation Epic Fury — Updated as of April 7, 2026 (Day 38)

Category	Details
PERSONNEL
US troops killed	At least 15 (13 from Iranian attacks + 1 non-combat death + 1 additional)
Killed by enemy fire	7
Killed in non-combat	6 (KC-135 midair collision, Iraq) + 1 health-related (Kuwait)
US troops wounded	At least 365 (Pentagon, Apr 3). The Intercept reports 520+. Breakdown: 247 Army, 63 Navy, 19 Marines, 36 Air Force
AIRCRAFT — COMBAT LOSSES (enemy fire)
F-15E Strike Eagles	1 shot down over western Iran (Apr 3). Both crew rescued after major CSAR operation
F-35A Lightning II	1 struck by Iranian ground fire (Mar 19–23). Pilot wounded by shrapnel, landed safely
A-10 Thunderbolt II	1 hit during CSAR over Iran (Apr 3). Crashed near Strait of Hormuz, pilot ejected and rescued
E-3G Sentry (AWACS)	1 destroyed at Prince Sultan Air Base by Iranian missile/drone attack (late Mar). Significant structural damage confirmed
MQ-9 Reaper Drones	17+ shot down by Iranian air defenses across multiple engagements
HH-60 / UH-60 Helicopters	2 hit by Iranian fire during F-15E CSAR (Apr 3). Crew injured, both returned to base
AIRCRAFT — FRIENDLY FIRE / ACCIDENTS / SELF-DESTROYED
F-15E Strike Eagles	3 shot down by Kuwaiti air defenses in friendly fire incident (Mar 1). All 6 crew ejected safely
KC-135 Stratotankers	1 crashed in Iraq (midair collision, Mar 12, 6 killed). 1 damaged in same incident, landed in Israel. 1 destroyed on ground at Prince Sultan AB. 5 damaged on ground at Prince Sultan AB
MC-130J Commando II	2 deliberately destroyed by US forces at improvised airstrip near Isfahan, Iran (Apr 5). Became stuck during WSO rescue. Valued at $100M+ each
MH-6 / AH-6 Little Birds	4 deliberately destroyed by US forces at same FARP in Iran (Apr 5). 160th SOAR (Night Stalkers) assets
CH-47 Chinook	1 destroyed on ground in Kuwait by Iranian drone attack (Apr 3)
NAVAL / BASE LOSSES
USS Gerald R. Ford	Fire broke out Mar 12. Undergoing repairs at Souda Bay, Greece
THAAD System	Damaged in Iranian strikes on US bases
Radar / SATCOM	2 AN/GSC-52B SATCOM domes destroyed at Al-Jufair, Bahrain by Shahed drones. Satellite antennas hit at Al Dhafra, UAE
US Embassy Kuwait	Struck and closed indefinitely (Mar 2)
FINANCIAL COST (as of Apr 4)
Direct military spending	Approx. $35–38 billion
Total cost (mil + economic)	Estimated $43–48 billion. Rising ~$1 billion/day
Munitions expended	Over $15 billion (800+ Patriot interceptors, Tomahawks, JASSMs, PGMs)
Supplemental budget	$200 billion proposed by Pentagon to Congress
Oil price impact	Brent crude surged to ~$109/barrel (+40% from pre-war)
US gas price impact	$3.63/gal average, up $0.55 from prior year

Sources: CENTCOM, Pentagon, Wall Street Journal, NPR, Al Jazeera, NBC News, Axios, The Intercept, The War Zone, The Aviationist, FlightGlobal, Air & Space Forces Magazine, Eurasian Times, CSIS, Wikipedia OSINT compilations.
Note: Figures are evolving rapidly. Some casualty and equipment numbers are disputed, with reports suggesting the Pentagon may be underreporting losses. MC-130J and MH-6/AH-6 losses during the Apr 3–5 rescue were self-inflicted to prevent capture by Iranian forces.

 

[Zoyou]

 

[delta2]

That never happened.

My god this forum is filled with the most gullible people alive.

So China promised $400 Billion investment in Iran for nothing?

Lol!

 

[dr.coomer]

The Iranian Mullahs are the reason why the GCC has submitted itself to the Zionists of the USA. The iranian mullahs have inflicted constant instability in the regioan, exactly as required by the previous British Empire as well as the Anglo-Saxon American Empire and now the Zionist American super power. Otherwise these Arabs are the would be sons of Shah Faisal who believed they would go back to living in the desert eating only dates and drinking only goat milk.

Provide proof, what instability? The GCC supported Saddam, then supported the US for Gulf War 1 and GWOT, then supported rebels in Syria. Stop being obtuse.

 

[Abdul q]

US Losses in the 2026 Iran War
Operation Epic Fury — Updated as of April 7, 2026 (Day 38)

Category	Details
PERSONNEL
US troops killed	At least 15 (13 from Iranian attacks + 1 non-combat death + 1 additional)
Killed by enemy fire	7
Killed in non-combat	6 (KC-135 midair collision, Iraq) + 1 health-related (Kuwait)
US troops wounded	At least 365 (Pentagon, Apr 3). The Intercept reports 520+. Breakdown: 247 Army, 63 Navy, 19 Marines, 36 Air Force
AIRCRAFT — COMBAT LOSSES (enemy fire)
F-15E Strike Eagles	1 shot down over western Iran (Apr 3). Both crew rescued after major CSAR operation
F-35A Lightning II	1 struck by Iranian ground fire (Mar 19–23). Pilot wounded by shrapnel, landed safely
A-10 Thunderbolt II	1 hit during CSAR over Iran (Apr 3). Crashed near Strait of Hormuz, pilot ejected and rescued
E-3G Sentry (AWACS)	1 destroyed at Prince Sultan Air Base by Iranian missile/drone attack (late Mar). Significant structural damage confirmed
MQ-9 Reaper Drones	17+ shot down by Iranian air defenses across multiple engagements
HH-60 / UH-60 Helicopters	2 hit by Iranian fire during F-15E CSAR (Apr 3). Crew injured, both returned to base
AIRCRAFT — FRIENDLY FIRE / ACCIDENTS / SELF-DESTROYED
F-15E Strike Eagles	3 shot down by Kuwaiti air defenses in friendly fire incident (Mar 1). All 6 crew ejected safely
KC-135 Stratotankers	1 crashed in Iraq (midair collision, Mar 12, 6 killed). 1 damaged in same incident, landed in Israel. 1 destroyed on ground at Prince Sultan AB. 5 damaged on ground at Prince Sultan AB
MC-130J Commando II	2 deliberately destroyed by US forces at improvised airstrip near Isfahan, Iran (Apr 5). Became stuck during WSO rescue. Valued at $100M+ each
MH-6 / AH-6 Little Birds	4 deliberately destroyed by US forces at same FARP in Iran (Apr 5). 160th SOAR (Night Stalkers) assets
CH-47 Chinook	1 destroyed on ground in Kuwait by Iranian drone attack (Apr 3)
NAVAL / BASE LOSSES
USS Gerald R. Ford	Fire broke out Mar 12. Undergoing repairs at Souda Bay, Greece
THAAD System	Damaged in Iranian strikes on US bases
Radar / SATCOM	2 AN/GSC-52B SATCOM domes destroyed at Al-Jufair, Bahrain by Shahed drones. Satellite antennas hit at Al Dhafra, UAE
US Embassy Kuwait	Struck and closed indefinitely (Mar 2)
FINANCIAL COST (as of Apr 4)
Direct military spending	Approx. $35–38 billion
Total cost (mil + economic)	Estimated $43–48 billion. Rising ~$1 billion/day
Munitions expended	Over $15 billion (800+ Patriot interceptors, Tomahawks, JASSMs, PGMs)
Supplemental budget	$200 billion proposed by Pentagon to Congress
Oil price impact	Brent crude surged to ~$109/barrel (+40% from pre-war)
US gas price impact	$3.63/gal average, up $0.55 from prior year

Sources: CENTCOM, Pentagon, Wall Street Journal, NPR, Al Jazeera, NBC News, Axios, The Intercept, The War Zone, The Aviationist, FlightGlobal, Air & Space Forces Magazine, Eurasian Times, CSIS, Wikipedia OSINT compilations.
Note: Figures are evolving rapidly. Some casualty and equipment numbers are disputed, with reports suggesting the Pentagon may be underreporting losses. MC-130J and MH-6/AH-6 losses during the Apr 3–5 rescue were self-inflicted to prevent capture by Iranian forces.

Informative PDF… confirmed using Opus 4.6 verifiable relatively reliable sources.. change to dark mode for better visibility idk how it looks on light mode

 

[AViet]

Chinese military hasn’t fought an actual war since Korea. On paper based on toys and equipment and industrial capacity they are a near power adversary to the U.S. military especially over next decade.

However, Look at how rusty the Russian military command was in Ukraine war, despite having a prior successful military campaign in Ukraine 2014 and Georgia 2008.

So the fierce wars with Vietnam and the Soviet Union in 1960s, 1970s and 1980s are not counted. But the US "experiences" with Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia and Venezuela are counted.

Same with how Western weapons are "proven" in battle. They are "proven" in bombing and firing missiles to innocent people, or primitive guerillas (which even a WWII aircraft can do). When being used in real wars like in Ukraine, how "proven" they are?.

The Iron Dome is one clear example. Sky-high evaluation by Western media before war, almost useless in real wars, even against rudimentary rockets made from water pipes and fertilizers by Gaza militants. Not to mention they fire hundred of thousand dollar missile to prevent a several-thousand dollar rocket. Without the continuous pumping money by the US and the West, how long Israel can withstand the missile attack from Iran?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The original is 'policy', not politics.

I strongly recommend these two books:

On Wars by Michael Mann
The Rage To Conquer by Michael Walsh

After reading them, I understood the difference between 'policy' and 'politics' are not to be mixed. Wars are not the results of failure of politics. The option for war is ALWAYS at the germination of policy.

The reason it is politics is because Clausewitz calls political goals as "rational", extention of political power of the state and it's purpose is to further legitimate goals.

To that end it is clear that US is acting as a proxy on behalf of zion for it's regional goals(designs).

 

[gambit]

20 years of studying Iranian military, I can tell you with high levels of confidence nearly all finished Chinese weapon systems came during the 90s to early 00s.

There was no real attempt to ever procure big ticket items from China. Most of the military ties was in the realm of components and raw materials and solid fuel mixers for missiles and laser ring gyroscopes.

No fancy radars (although there was some cooperation on radar R&D at company level).
No big air defense systems
No missiles or supersonic cruise missiles
No warships (although some armed speedboats were bought in the 90s)
No airforce (after the failed J-10C negotiations)

Iran preferred to rely on Russian and whatever it could reverse engineer from Israeli, American, and Russian designs. There was very little inspiration to introduce the Chinese ecosystem into the armed forces or reverse engineer Chinese equipment. Iran didn’t even reverse engineer LONG drone despite having access to it via shoot downs in Yemen war. Meanwhile it reverse engineered Israeli and American drones it could find.

Sorry, but I have more faith in our SIGINT than your 'study'.

It does not mean I know more than you do on what Iran has, for all we know, YOU maybe correct. But what I mean is that signals do not lie. Cannot lie. You can be assured %100 that prior to the war, we know %99 of what Iran transmit. A 'targeting' radar do not transmit outside of the X band, for example. That is real physics, not 'Chinese physics'. You can certainly assign a meter length freq to 'target' if you want, but that would be akin to US assign the B-52 to be an air defense interceptor. Absurd, ain't it? Always, physics have the final say, no matter what the PDF Chinese assert.

SIGINT allowed US to prevail over Iran.