Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Forsvaret]

Otherwise things will go out of control.

As if they haven’t already? :

 

[Watandar]

Former top adviser to Ghalibaf, Majid Shekeri view on Pakistan’s intentions to help:
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What is being misunderstood here is that Iran wants to use its existing leverage for a permanent deal now, not just another ceasefire. A more enduring arrangement. Else Mr Trump , Mr Netanyahu and their GCC proxies will simply break any ceasefire few months from now when their position improves.

 

[Desert]

Doesn't Egypt have mountains?
Do you know how deeply buried these sites are?

we have mountains but I haven't found any photos of any missile cities buried there, and no I don't know how deeply these sites are but I hope it's deeply buried and we must learn from Iran's war.

 

[Immortals]

Well depends if it is directly underneath...

In reality mountains provide a natural barrier... the composition of the rock matter and I'm not so sure how much protection at which depths sandstone can provide.

Sandstone doesn’t provide much protection and those pictures one is just an engine test stand, the other looks like a modest missile rotor site all above ground or with very little bunker depth. And the one underground photo again looks more like some engine testing center given it had a flame containment tunnel.

But it begs the question, In what universe would these weapons ever be used?

I don’t get why these Arab countries build these elaborate militaries stacked with Western tech that are riddled with kill switches. If Israel were to ever attack Egypt, Egypt’s most prized weapons wouldn’t survive long and there is a decent chance like this current war, America would also tag along.

So I don’t understand what the point of this military build up is that Arab countries do. They will never be used against Israel or any western country. And Iran hasn’t invaded in the neighbor in hundreds of years. So it seems A waste of money when the Egyptian economy could use more investment.

 

[Abdul q]

There’s unpredictable level of censorship of last 24 hours of hell iran gave to Israel…. Especially tel aviv area where all attacks were concentrated

 

[Forsvaret]

What is being misunderstood here is that Iran wants to use its existing leverage for a permanent deal now, not just another ceasefire. A more enduring arrangement. Else Mr Trump , Mr Netanyahu and their GCC proxies will simply break any ceasefire few months from now when their position improves.

Exactly! Israel used similar strategy to get rid of Hamas in Gaza with war-ceasefire-negotiation done on repeat. Iran learned from it and thus refusing to fall into the same Zionist trap.

 

[clutch]

Well I am with Iran right now but few years back tgey were doing the same thing with Syrians along with Russia.. Also citizens of Lebanon and Yemen are hostage to their proxies and their homeland and lives have been destroyed because of their jangustic policies.. Israel is a genocidal country but Iranians are also not far behind.. Where as for Arab nation if ceasefire succeed than Arab should now build their own muscles not outsource them..

We have to judge by the present not past history. Anyone who stands in alliance with the Zionist is the enemy. Period.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Desert]

probably more HIMARS in bahrain or kuwait .I hope Iran and IRGC are ready to target this force and send them back in coffins.

 

[IceCold]

15 concussions

To be fair, the Americans and the Israelis somehow always get injured and never killed.

 

[dr.coomer]

Wait, so you are daft enough to believe that the Divide Conquer has not been the fundamental policy and the main goal of life for the European powers for the last 500+ years?

Did you read about how the treaty of Westphalia came about and what the European ruling class at that time was proposing to prevent future strife and wars in Europe?

I need to know where you stand and your capacity of understanding, and comprehension, before I start teaching you about the deeper philosophical, religious, racially-hierarchical, strategical and core interest driven planning of the European ruling elite for the past 600+ years.

I will take you back to the round table of King Arthur and bring you back all the way to Operan Ajax, and then bring you into the 21st century.

When the student is read, I will teach!

So you are admitting that the GCC has no capacity to make independent thought? Then why go through the effort of typing all this off-topic stuff? No need to lift their balls.

 

[clutch]

USA has nothing too loose.. They already secured everything for them thorugh Venezuela.. Only Iran and the whole of Arab world will be finished starting Tuesday night, Allah forbid..

What is ordained, is ordained. We can only make sure we die standing on the side of haq (justice and truth).

 

[EugeneP]

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.

I do not believe Trump and his advisors feared being attacked by Iran, but they all shared Israel/Netanyahu's belief that Israel will be attacked by Iran. Till that massacre of October 23, it would not have been easy for Israel to rope in U.S./Trump into this war. One thing that has surprised me is the almost complete lack of anti-war activism by any segment of population - Democrats, Republicans, Left, Right, Middle, nothing. Without much salesmanship by Trump and his supporters (unlike for 2003 Iraq war), public seems to instinctively accept that Iran is an enemy worth waging a war on. I had not expected that. Going by the lack of public activism globally against this war, it seems Iran's goodwill is a huge negative.

 

[Immortals]

And who can forget the 1962 Sino-India war too.

To many Yanks and Westerners, before was Chinese weapons junk, now PLA war skills suck.

You are talking about events from 60 years ago. Means very little today.

Look at Russia in Ukraine. By your logic because they performed so well in WW2, Georgia war, 2014 Ukraine war they should have steamrolled Ukraine. And yet their energy facilities are getting blown up worse than Iran right now and their tankers are being blown up or confiscated by Ukraine or NATO. Despite Russia having 10x+ the military weapons and capabilities of the Iranian military and 2000+ nuclear weapons.

Modern warfare is a lot different than the 60s or 70s. So pointing to wars half century ago isn’t evidence of anything.

 

[Forsvaret]

Emiratis must be sniffing too much camel dung lately!