Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

It could be but I saw seen small group of "Christian" Protestors near USF with extreme offensive banners, very provocative towards Islam/Muslims. It was after a incident when some Muslim students were harassed by "Christians" at university campus, I have heard concerning talks about areas past Spring hill even from people who are born and raised in Florida.

I don’t disagree there are idiots but since vast majority of them are people in their 60s and above or extremely obese I think your fine

 

[r3alist]

Now the users here who disagreed with me on my comment about the difference between the Pakistani system and the Pakistani people can see I was not wrong.

Saudi Arabia is a belligerent in this war. They are constantly pushing Trump to finish Iran, and you can see whose side Shahbaz Sharif is on.

The mediation attempts are there to help Iran, Pakistan has India, 1.5 billion of Indians next door and this can never be lost sight of.

 

[SecularNationalist]

3rd world slum mentality

Lean from Nato what “Collective security “ means.

Exactly.
If Saudi Arabia demands from Pakistan to attack Iran our response should be exactly like what NATO told US.
That pact is a defensive pact not offensive pact. Presence of US bases in Saudi Arabia amounts to offence and aggression.

 

[Starlord]

I don’t disagree there are idiots but since vast majority of them are people in their 60s and above or extremely obese I think your fine

Oh i am fine for sure, the only person in my 6 years of been in US who told me to go back to my country was a PR (Latino) guy who call himself a far left lol

lets get back to Iran/US war topic.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

3rd world slum mentality

Lean from Nato what “Collective security “ means.

Yeah we see the collective mentality.... Oct 7 2024 and continuing....
You can keep your nato style up your first world ...
Entire NATO is useless against Epstein coalition.....
We have Epsteins of Arabia as well.

 

[mythbuster]

Sir, he raises a valid point, the current theocracy will be seen as expending iran's treasure and people, Israel have predicted Iran will become a new ally and I expect Israel and Iran to form a new security architecture for the region with the secularists and anti theocracy Iranians to embrace this fully.

That's just merely to raise a potential outcome and direction for this.

I asked what does he want? China and Russia shall declare war on US.,. you are talking something else bro .

 

[Aggregate]

Telling Iran to give Trump what he wants to pause the inevitable for 45 days is betrayal, IMHO.

3 possibilities:

1. Trump is bluffing, in which case, yes, betrayal in form of a deal would be bad
2. Trump is not bluffing, but Iran has some plan to push back or cause collateral damage in such a way that US has to retreat. Fine, no need for a betrayal either.
3. Trump is not bluffing and Iran has no workable plan to deal with the consequences.

In first 2 cases, yes, maybe we can talk about betrayals and other moral responsibilities.

In the 3rd case however, I would hope someone like Pakistan can convince Iran to back out in a way that keeps Iran's survival for a better future to come, maybe once US empire completes its natural time.

I'm not saying which ones of these outcomes will happen. I'm just saying that Just, just in case of the 3rd outcome, a deal in works might be better than nothing.

Remember Gaza, morality and principles, etc, unfortunately, unfortunately, do not always matter if there is no way out of a bad situation. Its always better to have some remote way out, even if it feels like a defeat.

 

[F.O.X]

Not at all. Start shining those nukes and the enemy are cowards - that will be more than enough for them
To back down

and will put drippling sanction on Pakistan, remember last time Pakistan tried to help them they sold us out. so no thanks. we are not taking another one for the team. Iran is a big boy it can handle itself.

 

[maverick]

I don't think so, if you get 45 days you can use it for your own benefit as well, as @Persian Gulf said you can use that time to reopen underground missile bases, disperse your launchers and even develop more drones. 45 days can make difference in Iran's case, and who say that the 45 days ceasefire will not hold? you are assuming and i understand your skepticism due to backstab by Israel. But remember this time the war has not impacted just Israel and Iran, its raging in whole Region. Plus that 45 days cease-fire is not just about Iran opening SOH without proper guarantees. Like i said, Israel has achieved its goals already, they have destroyed Iran's capability enough that Iran poses no threat to them for at least 10-20 years, you need that time completely peaceful and sanction free to rebuild everything.
Rest if your country can think they are ok with infrastructure being bombed then nothing anyone else can do, in return most you can do is hit GCC and some Israeli targets but that's it.

Time needed to get all the troops and armada for a D day kind of invasion.

 

[Immortals]

5th ballistics wave of the day from iran to Israel was 20 mins ago

 

[r3alist]

I asked what does he want? China and Russia shall declare war on US.,. you are talking something else bro .

Fair point bro, the Chinese are consistent in their world view.

The russians are ....long topic

 

[PakSword]

Pakistani posts on the last few pages are so amusing to read.

 

[maverick]

Pakistani nukes are for self preservation and specific to Indian threat.
we dont owe any other country our nuclear capability. nukes are for our survival.

Yes you do, to Saudi for bank rolling your nuke program, truth be told

 

[Starlord]

WTF is this shit

Desperation at its best.

 

[Shags101]

I mean does he not look totally and absolutely deranged