Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Blain2 said:
You need to calm down my friend.

Who are you questioning everyone on a darn public forum? The President of Iran? :)

For all we know, you could be an Israeli playing spoiler here. :giggle:
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When you want bragging rights at the cost of ruins of your country. But of course, we are to blame.
 
ShapurII said:
Pakistan abstained because her vote didn't matter at all.
The US already had 11 votes, and it was up to China or Russia to veto it or the resolution would've been passed.

The UN Security Council consists of 15 members: 5 permanent members with the veto right and 10 temporary/rotating members. For a resolution to be passed, 9 out of 15 members should vote yes with no vetoes from the permanent members.
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So are you saying if Pakistan would have had the deciding vote, they would have voted in favor of the resolution? I don’t think so, but we can only speculate.

I can understand why you feel that way as an Iranian. If I was Iranian, I would probably feel that way about Pakistan’s role as well. You guys feel you have an upper hand in the conflict. I am not sure about that. As a neutral observer, yes I can see that Iran has caused significant pain to Israel and the US. However, I am not convinced Iran can deliver a knockout blow to Israel and the US.

Pakistan is not forcing Iran to accept the win-win/lose-lose terms it is offering. It requires every side to make concessions and give up something.

If Iran does not accept the terms, or does not visit Islamabad, Pakistan does not feel slighted or take Iran’s response as offensive.

Pakistan understands why Iran might respond that way. Iran sees this as a historic opportunity to exact a lot of pain on Israel, the US and GCC allies. There are currently no pipelines that bypass the Strait of Hormuz. There is also a significant depletion of missile defense systems of Israel and the US. So I can see why Iran wants to keep this war going.

But there is a significant amount of offensive power the US and Israel still possess. Pakistan, by offering an “option”, just wants to ensure that Iran doesn’t reach anywhere near a strategic defeat at any point; and if Iran needs an off-ramp to “preserve itself”, it has that option. But Pakistan respects any decisions Iran makes.

Pakistan is concerned because although Iran has shown a lot of resilience and caused the US/Israel a lot of pain, it has not controlled the escalation ladder in this war; and has not caused “as much” damage in Israel as the US and Israel have done inside Iran.
 
Blain2 said:
Yes, and it is calculated. Pay attention to the details.
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yeah.. a right response from a mediator.

Like, the Corp Commander Conference statement says, without naming anybody, that attacks on KSA should be stopped. Similarly, we said before that attacks on Iran should stop (no names).
 
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It was stupid, but she did what she has to protect her country and people, yes Trump snatch Maduro anyway but that save her country from total destruction and blockade.
 
Guys, Americans are behaving like rabid dogs at the moment. You must live for another day rather than come directly in the line of sight of the dogs.

Don't get your women and children killed by the rabid dogs. If you think your regime will survive after the ceasefire, go for it.

Allah Kareem
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
Walmart delivers.
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Nah they charge extra for that, Its literally 5 mins drive from my apartment, plus they sometimes have good shit in Clearance section. But God damn it can we have peace so i can buy groceries? I will buy myself a ice cream to celebrate the ceasefire.
 
Goenitz said:
yeah.. a right response from a mediator.

Like, the Corp Commander Conference statement says, without naming anybody, that attacks on KSA should be stopped. Similarly, we said before that attacks on Iran should stop (no names).
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Perfectly fine response by Pakistan in the prevailing environment.

You carry on nitpicking aka missing the forest for the trees. ;-)
 
ShapurII said:
Are you the representative of Iran? What right do you have to claim that ultimately Iran wants to come to the negotiating table?

And yes, a ceasefire in Iran's case means a surrender. It will also reset Trump's 60-day privilege to declare war without congressional approval.
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Yes the Iranians do, they would want to negotiate the amount of reparations and compensation they are due assuming this plays out as they hope, this is from iran's own statements


So that is coming to the table but as victors imposing terms to The losers.


It ultimately depends now how you imagine this to come about, and how realistic that is
 
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