Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[gambit]

You are not wrong. Except, this does not necessarily mean it holds ultimate importance in every scenario and you are just probably overstating it's importance.

If anything, this conflict has demonstrated that even without a traditional air force, a war can still be fought, and tactical, operational and strategic victories can still be achieve on different terms. Despite all the flexibility the US possesses, it was still unable to strategically arm wrestle Iran. Which is why they are always considering to invade to establish some leverage.

Overwhelming air superiority might succeed against a militarily weaker nation, but limitations emerge when facing a country with massive strategic depth, rugged mountainous terrain, and capabilities (have to give credit where is due) to build extensive underground bases. They have utilised their natural advantages well and have at least leveled close to the playing field.

Iran has also shown that advanced jets and drones can be effectively nullified when cleverly countered with other tactical options, such as "SAMbushes" and loitering munitions.

This approach will likely serve as a template for other nations defending against adversaries with an overwhelming air force though some nations may not be blessed with the geographic advantages Iran has.

I have no problems if anyone believes Iran 'won' the war.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Well it's the temporary ceasefire and US can't be trusted and isreal is definitely pissed off.
Its based on Iran,s terms so that's definitely a defeat of US. Next two weeks isreal will work hard to drag US back on week. Though already humiliated US will look for off ramp. And this whole thing raised geo political profile of Pakistan even further. Pakistan definitely played a big role in this. In the coming days it would be interesting to watch Indian channels lol. Specially jealous and pissed off Gaurav Arya,Goswami and subedar GD Bakhshi.

History will remember it as islamabad accords. More love to my city.
Not some gangu Accord .
Pakistan is the only country in the world that enjoys good relationships with three great powers US,China and Russia.

 

[KPK-4Ever]

Supreme leader and other important figures must not surface yet. Can't trust anyone.

 

[Fatman17]

No, my friend, you are totally out of touch with what is happening in wars: 100% of war analysts(including geopolitics experts from Brazil) agree that air and naval forces are no longer useful in modern warfare. It is much more expensive, requires maintenance, needs a human to pilot and years of study to become ready (they can be killed or captured), maintenance is extremely expensive, they can be shot down even if they are "invisible". Missiles and drones are the future of war, Iran is fighting because it used its own strategy, if it waged a conventional war against the US it would be destroyed in 1 or 2 days at most. Ukraine confronts Russia using the same strategy, and Russia confronts NATO using the same strategy.

NOTE: In 48 hours, Iran shot down 12 US aircraft, which is a record.

Nonsense speculation

 

[SecularNationalist]

I have no problems if anyone believes Iran 'won' the war.

Well old man ask yourself a question and decide.
Look at your objectives when you started it lol and how many of them you acheived. BIG ZERO. What's more humiliating it you desperately saved your face on Iran,s terms.
A lesson for you as an American is to get rid from a liability called Israel.

 

[Fatman17]

History will remember it as islamabad accords. More love to my city
Not some gangu Accord .
Pakistan is the only country in the world that enjoys good relationships with three great powers US,China and Russia.

Russia maybe

 

[MNZGamerX]

 

[Garcia Sea]

There's a saying in one of east country,
A fool can't be cured until he dies.
Just as this saying goes, Khamenei, numerous government officials, and military leaders were killed while still dreaming of peace with the United States.
Now it's Mojtaba's turn.
Until Iran is completely dismantled, foolish people will continue to be killed while talking about peace.
I never expected the Ayatollah to be this foolish.
I thought they had finally woken up, but I was wrong.
They should have seen what happened to Gaza, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria, yet I sigh at their foolishness in accepting the same fate.
It's fine for foolish leaders to commit suicide on their own, but it's shameful to involve their own people. The ayatollah regime had to be overthrown after all.
The fate of the Iranian people was sealed the moment they accepted the theocracy under the ayatollah, without a coup by the IRGC or a popular revolution.

 

[Fatman17]

...(continue)... and has now helped mediate an end to Gulf War III.



^ not true?

Nonsense speculation

 

[SecularNationalist]

Just woke up, glad to see armageddon avoided.

Whatever good role pakistan played in this also benefitted you foul mouthed indians as well. The war was hurting your economy very badly. Way more than it was hurting ours.But definitely you won't accept it and continue to bark on us.

 

[MNZGamerX]

 

[2ndstrike]

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I think the end of this war will come down to these three major points that both America and Iran have to agree to.
1. HEU
2.The rest of the LEU
3. Enrichment rights
American and Iranian might want 2/3, 3/3, 1/3 of these three demands in order to stop the war and save some faces.

 

[SecularNationalist]

You are correct.


You are wrong.

I was active duty, F-111E RAF Upper Heyford, when Ronald Raygun presented the 'Star Wars' or Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense. Most, including many scientists, laughed at him. But not the Soviets. Not because Raygun was of any scientific minded intellect, but because the Soviets knew well how far ahead was American scientific prowess compared to their own.

Fast forward to Iron Dome and Patriot.

I was not surprised when those systems proved themselves in combat. Of course, they were not %100 successful, but when each system reached %50 success rate, bullet to bullet interception was essentially complete.

Here is why you are wrong...And I will NOT use any 'classified' info to prove you wrong...Just logic and common sense...

1. Farm field​

2. Parking lot​

3. Army HQ​

4. Jet fuel depot​

5. Hospital​

Let us say I have 10 interceptor missiles.

Why would I assign 2 per? Why would I care if the enemy attack the farm field or the parking lot?

Now I have 10 interceptors for 3 sites or 3 per.

3. Army HQ​

4. Jet fuel depot​

5. Hospital​

Of those three, which is the most important? Believe it or not, it is not the Army HQ. In peace time, all units have their own assigned plans and executables. All the HQ does is storage for paperwork. Combatant commanders have nothing to do with HQ.

4. Jet fuel depot​

5. Hospital​

So now I have 10 interceptors for two sites, or 5 per, for defense. Do you see the point here?

Make no mistake, the Israelis are using much more complex defense calculus for their Iron Dome system than what I presented above. Do not think that every time you saw a Hezbollah or Houthi missile landed on Israeli soil, it was a success. Each attacker was calculated on where it will land and the system responded according to whatever priority the Israeli commanders deemed appropriate. The system is not perfect, but good enough for the Israelis to bear any failure.

And lately most Irani missiles landed on isreali civilian areas. That's a utter failure.
Now since it's a ceasefire let the fog of war settle and you will find out about true number of US and isreali casualties. There was a reason behind that censor ship.

 

[RocketLaw]

Whatever good role pakistan played in this also benefitted you foul mouthed indians as well. The war was hurting your economy very badly. Way more than it was hurting ours.But definitely you won't accept it and continue to bark on us.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Russia maybe

Definitely not an enmity with anyone.