Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Ali_Baba said:
Tactically, USA won the military battles, but strategically USA lost the war. It could not get its tactical victories to be translated to political goals and objectives.
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Even tactically, they did have some epic failures:
They failed to kill Mojtaba to create a vacuum of power within the system.
They failed to seize the HEU in Isfahan.
They failed to instigate a popular uprising as they claimed.
They failed to escort ships through the Strait of Hormuz.

All of these are tactical failures.
 
Master Chief said:
Dawn News: statement by GoP:

"Pakistan strongly condemned the ongoing Israeli aggression against Lebanon, calling it a serious violation of international law.

In a statement on X, the Foreign Office (FO) said, “The Israeli action undermines international efforts to establish peace and stability in the region and constitutes a blatant violation of international law and fundamental humanitarian principles.”

The statement added that Pakistan calls upon the international community to take “urgent and concrete steps” to end Israeli aggression against Lebanon. "
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No mention of it also being a violation of the ceasefire agreement I see..
 
Ali_Baba said:
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Europe and NATO needs to be careful on "policing" the straits "within days" or "until" the conflict is permanently resolved.

If the Americans start attacking Iran again, what will the Europeans do in "policing" the straits? They would get caught in the middle. Stay out of this NATO/Europe. Trump cannot be trusted at all.
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Yup, that expression says it all.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Iranian hackers hacked the phone of former Israeli Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi and published photos - among the most prominent of what was published is this classified documentation of a visit to Jordan and his meeting with Jordanian Army Chief Yusuf Ahmed Al-Huneiti.

The gift that Halevi presented to the Jordanian Army Chief - a dagger belonging to a Jordanian soldier who participated in the 1967 war against Israel and which the Israeli army found after his killing.

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Army cheif is receiving A gift of humiliation.
 
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...(continue)... Spain is reopening its Tehran embassy after one month and joined France, the UK, Italy, Germany, and the EU Commission in a joint statement calling for the ceasefire to cover Lebanon. Albares, Barrot, and Cooper each condemned Israel's Wednesday strikes on Beirut as a violation threatening the agreement.

The Lebanon condition is the exact clause Iranian Parliament Speaker Ghalibaf cited yesterday when he walked out of the 10-point proposal before Saturday's Islamabad talks.
 
Ali_Baba said:
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Europe and NATO needs to be careful on "policing" the straits "within days" or "until" the conflict is permanently resolved.

If the Americans start attacking Iran again, what will the Europeans do in "policing" the straits? They would get caught in the middle. Stay out of this NATO/Europe. Trump cannot be trusted at all.
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I said it before and i will say it again, please Mark my words, NATO will be used for ground invasion against Iran minus Turkey in it. Mark my word on it. This will happen to revitalize NATO and transform it into a global policing force.
 
US must leash it's lap dog called isreal.
Isreal is trying hard to destroy peace talks in islamabad. It's obvious to the world the cancer called isreal is threat to world peace. And it's a liability to every nation who is an ally of isreal in any capacity. Because no one like isreal. World must realize isreal should cease to exist.
 
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We have not seen any pictures of HMS Dragon since it returned to port for minor technical issue with "water processing" systems btw.
 
lightning f57 said:
You could argue what military battles did they really have? given most of what they did was airstrikes against little airdefences and no counter airforce.

The real military currency vs Iran were its missile bases, they failed to disable 1 base, so tactically for me its a failure too.

Irans doctrine never relied on an airforce or navy so we are comparing conventional battles when Iran didnt play that game, it was asymmetrical where it won.
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Yep, the Americans did destroy a Navy that was at port mostly, or unarmed(ship from India) and a 45 year old air force that was grounded.

While the missile bases were not destroyed, they did prove very effective against the PGCC countries, but less so against Israel and that is something for Iran to think about once this war is over.

If we extend the conversation to what Iranian systems worked well, it was the Shahed-136 and "eventually" the Majid air defence system once the targets were "in range" of the system. A different conversation for a new and different thread after the war is over.
 
Yasser76 said:
Again , what is the issue here? Desperate to make one i get that
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Pakistan has attempted to bring peace to the region

The conflict was escalating at a dangerous pace, and trump was stupid enough to carry out his threat of bombing Iranian infrastructure even heavier then what's already happened

Pulling the U.S back from that brink was important

Multiple U.S generals were removed to allow war crimes to be carried out

The U.S is a mess at the moment and giving it an off ramp is vital to safeguard the region

Even if the war continues between Israel and Iran (and it will)

Israel wants south Lebanon, but Hezbollah with ATGMs and FPV drones is ruthless, modern warfare means Israel can't flood the south because as an invading force it will just be REPEATEDLY hit, and it will lose countless men and armour

The more Israel fails at this, the more brutal it tries to be in bombing Beirut and Lebanon to try and force Hezbollah to surrender or Lebanon to force Hezbollah to stand down


Pakistan has pulled a blinder here, and supported Iran,
The war was never going to end, Israel is a cancerous tumor, it's upto Iran to make use of the time it's been given

Time is against Israel, the anti Israel/Zionist movement is growing across the west and the U.S, pulling the U.S away from Israels is what matters
 
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