Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

How likely is Iran to allow warships of these 30 nations to cross the Strait of Hormuz post peace to escort tankers or for any other reason? Allowing US 5th fleet vessels back to Bahrain contradicts one of the 10 points: removal of US bases/forces from the region.
Plus any warship in the Persian Gulf is just a sitting duck. Is it just to create the narrative that they have diminished Iranian control over the Persian Gulf where in reality Iran could sink them in short order?

Nothing can materialize... Orange is twisting arms to have someone else bare the consequence of his aggression in the region and allow US a safe transition back to the bases. And I don't think anyone is going to bite... or afford losses away from their shores. Brits can least afford nor have the ability to project for a sustained period even if they commit for a suicide mission.

The cost is already high enough to dissuade any further fervor other than zionist political demands to push others head first in fire and collapse the global economy. Something zion would least care is that leads them to rule the ashes.

 

[RocketLaw]

Islamabad Talks



English Translation:
The stage has been set at the Jinnah Convention Centre in Islamabad for historic negotiations.

Spaces have been allocated for international media, arrangements made for cultural music.

 

[Meengla]

Well see you just gave Israel an "out" in this whole matter.
While Israel accepts Iran as a country..Iran doesn't the other way.
Now Israel can claim "we aren't the one with the problem".

No, Iranian position is not to 'wipe off' the Jewish people in Israel and Iranian position is also that whatever the Palestinians accept as solution, Iran too would accept. Iranian position boils down to a duplicate of the removal of the Apartheid nature of South Africa in Palestine. Not unreasonable.
But sad to see you can't remove your love for the Trump admin to line behind whatever an obviously unhinged and compromised guy in the pocket of Netanyahu. A large majority of Americans are opposed to Trump's Iran policy and a growing number are starting to see that it was Netanyahu who is behind this war.
You don't have to support thousands of Mai Lai to prove your 'patriotism'.

 

[Watandar]

Well see you just gave Israel an "out" in this whole matter.

While Israel accepts Iran as a country..Iran doesn't the other way.

Now Israel can claim "we aren't the one with the problem".

Not really an issue as Israel doesn't even accept the Palestinians, whom it has kept stateless for generations.

 

[KingQamaR]

So JD Vance is indeed boarding the flight to Pakistan! And what breath of fresh air to see someone, while threatening Iran, is not saying 'Stone Age' blah blah!

Is JD Vance bringing his American son called Vivek too

 

[Goenitz]

I just can’t wait to see the escort and protocol the Pakistanis are gonna give say Iranian I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

Also, Pak should provide the cover over Tehran airspace or the west side of the Persian Gulf when they land back. I heard our AWACS was in the Gulf area (Flight Recorder data).
I am 100% sure their movements will be tracked to their hideouts after they land in Tehran.
More importantly, they may go to Ayat-Ullah to brief him in person. Which is dangerous. I hope there is a 3rd person in the delegation (who is not famous) who can skim through the returning convoy/delegation for that job.

 

[Mutakalim]

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They should remember that Crusaders remained in the Holy Land for almost 200 years. They plundered, they raped, they committed massacre after massacre and they desecrated the holy sites. They attacked Damascus, they pillaged Asia minor, they rampaged Egypt, even they attacked and destroyed Christian Constantinople.

What happened after all their evil doings? They were annihilated!

 

[GWXP]

Iran gained invaluable experience of fighting US and Israel and Gulf Arabs.

US and Israel achieved nothing except radicalization of Iran.

This war united Iranians with their government and only made the Islamic Republic stronger.

Iran lost multiple 65-75 years old officials who were preparing for retirement and a new generation of officials will replace them.

For 86 years old Khamenei it is a Great Honor to die as a martyr.


Israel and Gulf Arabs suffered significant damage to their infrastructure while US military bases in the region are decimated.

US and Israel exhausted their stockpiles of interceptors and precision-guided munitions.

US and Israel lost the war because declared goals like regime change and destruction of Iran's missile capabilities are not achieved.

This war showed limits of US military power - they cant get what they want with force.

Iran wins by not losing to US.

US added 50bln$ to the Federal Debt while Americans have to pay higher price of gasoline.

And Arabs will pay all the damage and costs of this war to Iran through fees Iran collects from their oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran will rebuild everything that was bombed and Arabs will pay for it.

And the Houthis didn't even start shooting at ships in the Strait of Bab-el-Mandeb.

 

[Watandar]

Iran should pay some random Pakistani Gigachad 100.000$ and give him a MANPAD to shoot down Vance and Trump's sons of bitches and claim that the toilet exploded by accident onboard

And give him a Rolex with diamonds as a bonus if everyone is dead

That would be ridiculous. Vance is the only one on the Cabinet who was reportedly not comfortable with this un-necessary war and he also has a political stake in not letting hostilities resume, as it will negatively impact his 2028 presidential run. Kushner and Witkoff yeah are Israeli assets.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No, Iranian position is not to 'wipe off' the Jewish people in Israel

um..they have said something to that tune before...not sure if they have reiterated it lately.

Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's president

Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his predecessor, told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would...

www.theguardian.com

BTW I'm not an Israeli supporter. You can search for my opinion on that in some previous thread.

Post in thread 'The Top 10 Countries Receiving U.S. Foreign Aid'

Mar 9, 2025

So what is your opinion on Israel getting so much free stuff? They got nearly $90 billion in economic aid till now

Time for copy and paste again since I have answered this numerous times.

First off I have already stated the best way to deal with the Gaza/Israel issue is for a mile high tidal wave to hit both of them.

But as for the aid the unfortunate fact is much of this is basically bribery to prevent Israeli brain power (which is heavily Eastern European+Soviet/Russian) from being leveraged by the Soviets/Russians to do military and civilian R&D for them. The US would rather...

• Hamartia Antidote

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But sad to see you can't remove your love for the Trump admin

I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a US military supporter.

BTW You are the one whose love for something severely blinds you..just see the "wipe out" mention above as an obvious example.

 

[hasssanali8998]

That would be ridiculous. Vance is the only one on the Cabinet who was reportedly not comfortable with this un-necessary war and he also has a political stake in not letting hostilities resume, as it will negatively impact his 2028 presidential run. Kushner and Witkoff yeah are Israeli assets.

also it aint that easy

 

[Goenitz]

@RescueRanger @Waz

I heard there is a complete science of negotiation. Like room temperature, beverages, lighting, timing (morning or evening or sunny, etc.).

I hope there is some introduction to Iranian culture, cuisine, tea, and pastries, and we can brief the Americans about these before meeting the Iranian delegation. That can help to break their already bias and misconceptions.

I know succession or power transfer in management is a complete discipline in management. I hope Pak is successful in doing that between the US and Iran delegations.

 

[Aryan_B]

Thread is not about india

Stop off topic posts

Brother ban all Indians would solve your problems

 

[Meengla]

BTW You are the one whose love for something blinds you..see the "wipe out" mention.

The whole 'wipe off' was clarified multiple times by Iran with references to the Soviet Union and the South Africa Apartheid. But you, by clinging on to that without contextualizing, tells where you stand: A blind supporter of Israel without perhaps even knowing that.
And how many times have the Israelis threatened Iranians?? Or this POTUS, whom you coyly denying your support, has talked about the 'Stone Age'??
Don't cling onto the words spoken by the Iranians decades ago without the context but look at the actual actions of the Israelis who you are supporting while pretending not to support.

 

[Aryan_B]

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The unintended consequence of Netanyahoos opposition to the two state solution is that there will be just one state long term and that Is Palestine