Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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hasssanali8998 said:
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My hunch is that the talks will fail (80%) unless the US get something big out of it. JD Vance wouldn't want to look weak, or he can't be in a presidential race. He will act tough, no matter what Iran presents.
Also, as Iran is not losing (maximilius), the US cannot accept most of its points. If Iran opens the Strait, the US will ask for more anyway, which would fail the negotiations. So, nobody will back down first.

Therefore, the talks will stall first, some point will be renegotiated, and then it will be successful. Trump cannot gamble this anymore. He wants to look successful in the upcoming visit to China, in front of MAGA and NATO.
 
mangekyo said:
What exactly is not clear? You’re sending millitary forces to a country that is participating in a war against us. This is while we are your guests. Obviously I am not going it celebrate it.
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How much "military force" exactly, what do you know exactly to be true and what is its purpose?

You don't know what you are upset about, yet remain persistent in this specific detail, out of everything else going on
You are foolish if you cannot see that those who wish bad for Iran are trying to exaggerate and sensationalize the Pakistan Saudi defence agreement, and it seems to be working

So if you cannot determine what might just be normal type of events but want to translate it into something to be offended about this is on you
 
Master Chief said:
I explained clearly how it is inaccurate.

In your analogy, would Iran also be hosting a peace summit for the belligerent parties?

There is plenty of context missing from your statements.
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How does that change anything?
 
This seems significant

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mangekyo said:
I’m not convinced you would. But if true, you’re at least being consistent. I would never support such a move from Iran btw. Guess we’re just different
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As i wrote brother, we have our own compulsions. This is the fruit of our criminal negligence to strengthen our economy which we continue to reap.

Ofcourse, Mecca and Medina are not threatened a single bit by our Muslim Iranian brothers. This is just emotional black mailing propaganda that Saudis do to decieve our illiterate populace.

We dont have cash and we need some quick bucks to run the country that Saudi family is regularly giving us. Which is ironically nothing more than a little pocket change for them.
 
Goenitz said:
My hunch is that the talks will fail (80%) unless the US get something big out of it. JD Vance wouldn't want to look weak, or he can't be in a presidential race. Also, as Iran is losing, so the US cannot accept its all or most of its points. If Iran open the Strait, the US will ask more anyway, which would fail the negotiation. So, nobody will back down first.

Therefore, the talks will stall first, some point will be renegotiated, and then it will be successful. Trump cannot gamble this anymore. He wants to look successful in the upcoming visit to China, in front of MAGA and the NATO.
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Only JD is serious, Kushner and Witkoff are non serious . Talks may fail or JD adopt neutral posture. Trump already fired 8 top Generals who are against this war.
 
mangekyo said:
What exactly is not clear? You’re sending millitary forces to a country that is participating in a war against us. This is while we are your guests. Obviously I am not going it celebrate it.
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There is another angle to it, the proximity of airbase where PAF assets are deployed in Saudi, is close to UAE. There is a strong chance they are there to keep an eye on this outpost of Zionists. UAE is going ape shit over US-Iran talks.
 
mangekyo said:
How does that change anything?
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In your analogy, Iran sends SAMs to protect Delhi. You have equated this to Pakistan's deployment in KSA. But the analogy neglects to include the mediation effort being made in Iranian interests.

Do you actually think Islamabad would be angry at a nation that sought to genuinely resolve a war between Pakistan and India while preserving Pakistani interests?
 
r3alist said:
How much "military force" exactly, what do you know exactly to be true and what is its purpose?

You don't know what you are upset about, yet remain persistent in this specific detail, out of everything else going on
You are foolish if you cannot see that those who wish bad for Iran are trying to exaggerate and sensationalize the Pakistan Saudi defence agreement, and it seems to be working

So if you cannot determine what might just be normal type of events but want to translate it into something to be offended about this is on you
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If you read my first post, I was replying to

«Pakistan has sent fighter jets and other military forces to Saudi Arabia»

And I replied that it’s a stab in the back if true.
 
Master Chief said:
In your analogy, Iran sends SAMs to protect Delhi. You have equated this to Pakistan's deployment in KSA. But the analogy neglects to include the mediation effort being made in Iranian interests.

Do you actually think Islamabad would be angry at a nation that sought to genuinely resolve a war between Pakistan and India while preserving Pakistani interests?
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No. I said India attacks Pakistan through UAE bases, and Iran arms UAE with hypersonics.

I can say with 100% certainty that I would condemn such a move from Iran, even more so if we do it while hosting you as guests in our country
 
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