Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Pakistan works alongside nato for counter terrorism. They are one of the few friendly countries for iran.

They are also a nuclear power.
They have cred, you are just ignorant in global politics. Go read a book or two and come back.

If you think NATO is your friend, you are the one who is in dire need of reading books.

If he loses the house in the midterms, he might get impeached. But that alone was not my point. You know when cockroaches get hungry and can’t find food, they eat their own offsprings?

There is only one way to open up Hormuz, and that is by making deals with Iran.

We already discussed that with other American users here and their opinions were right.
The chance of the Republicans losing the Senate is negligible because the Democrats have to flip all republican seats and get one more independent seat as well.
The Congress can only impeach the President, but the Senate will eventually remove him from power after a trial.

But even if they did, so what? Trump will be removed by the Senate and JD Vance will replace him. How's that any better for us?

There's another way: Shut down the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean to Iranian vessels. Tit-for-tat. گروکشی, as we call it in Persian.

 

[Goenitz]

Read again. It's very simple. Read it again until you understand the difference. I am not here to teach you how to read.

The world economy was on the verge of collapse when the war ended.
This war is shifting towards economic submission at this point. Just like how Iran tried to use energy and raw materials coming out of the region as a means to end the war, the US will do the same to Iran soon. Iran lost a 2-week head start by accepting this ceasefire.

Yes. Essentially, closing the Hormuz is affecting the entire world. Then, according to you, anybody can conspire against Iran to open the Hormuz.

However, it puts Pak/China's reputation at stake if we are going to deceive Iran. Also, if every economy is getting hurt, it doesn't hurt much (collective suffering). The incentive of peace and Iran's stability outweighs for us the free trade through Hormuz

 

[Garcia Sea]

Land trade accounts for about only 15% of Iran's exports, and since the majority of that is gas and petrochemicals, production would inevitably cease during wartime. A naval blockade would undoubtedly be a fatal blow to the Iranian economy, and the US understands this well and is playing its last card. Iran has no countermeasure other than a complete blockade of the Strait of Hormuz and a full-scale attack on the oil fields of the GCC countries. This would likely provoke the GCC into action and intervention from many other countries. In other words, Trump may be hoping for a decisive Armageddon rather than gradually tightening the screws on Iran over time. Of course, the Mullahs might tremble at the thought of this final battle and accept the blockade without resistance, potentially leading to Iran's collapse, which Trump and Netanyahu undoubtedly desire. However, there are risks in a full-scale war scenario, so in the first stage, the US deliberately did not stop Iran's oil exports and waited to see if Iran would surrender. This is new circumstantial evidence that the US is cornering Iran according to its pre-planned strategy. Again, we must not underestimate the enemy.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes. Essentially, closing the Hormuz is affecting the entire world. Then, according to you, anybody can conspire against Iran to open the Hormuz.

However, it puts Pak/China's reputation at stake if we are going to deceive Iran. Also, if every economy is getting hurt, it doesn't hurt much (collective suffering). The incentive of peace and Iran's stability supersede then having free trade through Hormuz for us.

Both China and Pakistan have been given passage rights at discounted price. I do not think the Strait of Hormuz is a main concern for either one at this point.

The real question, left unanswered as of now, is how should this war end? If Iran gives up uranium enrichment and its uranium stockpile, the US will find Iran in a weaker position and will attack Iran again. As you can see, there is no way to get out of this unless one side surrenders.

 

[Ali_Baba]

" Yedioth Ahronoth": The United States continues airlifting weapons to Israel

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The whole 2-week "ceasefire" and negotiations were gimmick designed to buy time and replenish "Israel's" weapon stocks.

What stopped the USA shipping these weapons during the war??? Did the USA all of a sudden run out of C17s ? No.

Supply of weapons was never an issue, and not a factor in the ceasefire.

 

[Aziqbal]

What stopped the USA shipping these weapons during the war??? Did the USA all of a sudden run out of C17s ? No.

Supply of weapons was never an issue, and not a factor in the ceasefire.

I think the issue is interceptors

they need months/years Iran needs days/weeks

small pause benefits Iran more

 

[Aziqbal]

Both China and Pakistan have been given passage rights at discounted price. I do not think the Strait of Hormuz is a main concern for either one at this point.

The real question, left unanswered as of now, is how should this war end? If Iran gives up uranium enrichment and its uranium stockpile, the US will find Iran in a weaker position and will attack Iran again. As you can see, there is no way to get out of this unless one side surrenders.

so your saying its a never ending war?

 

[ShapurII]

so your saying its a never ending war?

There is no "never ending war" in history. At some point, either Iran or the US will have to give up.

Personally, I think without going nuclear, the chance of Iran winning this war is very low.

Iran has been cornered by the US and Israel, particularly since 2018. Iran needs to resort to madman tactics like shutting down the Strait of Hormuz to survive this war. How far can Iran continue like this is an important question, yet to be determined, but at some point, Iran either has to acquire nuclear weapons or lose everything.

If Iran accepts defeat, it has to be complete surrender. Not some win-win deal as there's no such deal possible at this point. You can't handpick the terms of your surrender.

 

[Aziqbal]

There is no "never ending war" in history. At some point, either Iran or the US will have to give up.

Personally, I think without going nuclear, the chance of Iran winning this war is very low.

Iran has been cornered by the US and Israel, particularly since 2018. Iran needs to resort to madman tactics like shutting down the Strait of Hormuz to survive this war. How far can Iran continue like this is an important question, yet to be determined, but at some point, Iran either has to acquire nuclear weapons or lose everything.

If Iran accepts defeat, it has to be complete surrender. Not some win-win deal as there's no such deal possible at this point. You can't handpick the terms of your surrender.

keeping straits closed will bring other nations into this war

attacking GCC will at some point bring GCC into this war, Chinese drone already shot down in Iran

so question is what options is there for Iran ? because Israel is in Lebanon now too

 

[PakShaheen_79]

so your saying its a never ending war?

Quickest way is Iran detonating a nuclear weapon in a desert or under sea and becomes a nuclear state. No need to threat anyone. Just demonstrate the capability and leave all the options on table so that space for diplomatic fallback remains available. With current status-quo, sooner or later US/Israel will find a way to overcome Iranian missiles and resistance and then we will see another ME countries being runied, looted, and plunged in darkness like Iraq, Syria, and Lebenon.

 

[ShapurII]

keeping straits closed will bring other nations into this war

attacking GCC will at some point bring GCC into this war, Chinese drone already shot down in Iran

so question is what options is there for Iran ? because Israel is in Lebanon now too

The GCC states have been an active participant in this war from the beginning. They are living in glass houses and they know it well.

There aren't many countries capable of entering this war. Out of nearly 200 countries recognized internationally, only a handful of them, perhaps less than 6, have the naval capability to project power globally. Two of them are Russia and China, by the way. The other one is the United States which is the main belligerent already. And none of those remaining nations can even get remotely close to these three.

Hezbollah is not going to be defeated through air campaigns. On the ground, Hezbollah is fighting well. Hezbollah is much better trained and armed than Hamas. If Hamas lasted 2 years, Hezbollah can certainly last for a few more weeks. Then you also have the Houthis of Yemen, whose participation in the war has been quite minimal so far. If they shut the Bab-el Mandeb, the situation will get even more complicated.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

️Summary of military operations carried out by Hezbollah's fighters today so far:

– Struck a gathering of Israeli soldiers in the Yir’on settlement (Upper Galilee) using attack drones in response to ceasefire violations and continued Israeli strikes in southern Lebanon.

– Fired two rocket barrages at Israeli vehicles and troops in Khiam (south Lebanon) at 05:15 and 05:30.

– Targeted a military vehicle carrying command personnel in Taybeh (south Lebanon) with an attack drone at 09:45 in response to ongoing Israeli attacks.

– Launched a swarm of attack drones against the Kiryat Shmona barracks (Upper Galilee) at 11:10.

– Fired rockets at Israeli troops and vehicles on Al-Hamames Hill south of Khiam (south Lebanon) at 13:00 as part of continued retaliatory operations.

– Struck the headquarters of the Al-Sahl battalion at the Beit Hillel barracks (Upper Galilee) at 13:30 with rocket fire.

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[BHAN85]

keeping straits closed will bring other nations into this war

attacking GCC will at some point bring GCC into this war, Chinese drone already shot down in Iran

so question is what options is there for Iran ? because Israel is in Lebanon now too

Right, keep strait closed will bring other countries to war, but in what side?

If a coalition of countries attack Iran, strait will keep closed and Israel will keep troublemaking the zone endlessly.

If a coalition of countries stop USA and Israel, strait will be open and the zone will be in peace.

 

[BHAN85]

Hard effects of Hormuz strait closure hasn't come to Europe yet, just a tiny petrol prices increase, without shortage yet.

The big things is still to come. And it will arrive.

 

[Aziqbal]

Right, keep strait closed will bring other countries to war, but in what side?

If a coalition of countries attack Iran, strait will keep closed and Israel will keep troublemaking the zone endlessly.

If a coalition of countries stop USA and Israel, strait will be open and the zone will be in peace.

first I admire Spain after Spains stance on Palestine

UK + NATO won't use military force what can they do if $1 trillion US defence budget won't

they will probably make direct deals with Iran bypassing USA

but Israel won't stop they never have

so question is , will USA say no to Israel at some point ?