Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
Great post.
Iran holds the cards! And if that was not so then notice the change of stance over the Lebanon ceasefire.
I'd be very, very interested to know what Pakistan's General Asim Munir discussed in those three days in Iran!
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& I’d love to know what he heard or said to trump in his meeting with Trump back in June 2025.
 
ShapurII said:
Amen to that. Most of these Arab countries should not even exist in their present forms. They are British creations, created to serve the Western world order and Israel in our region.
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Agreed, they are useless. But fact remains that by bombing them how does iran benefit, how does israel get punished, how does america get punished. I get it, there are american bases and all but does it really bother america, i dont think so otherwise the americans would have vacted those bases by now. By bombing the arabs oil fields they are putting their own oil fields in the cross hairs. Also, how does bombing arab refineries punish israel and usa.

Edit. Everyone knew these talks were a ruse. Never were the americans or israel interested in negotiating. Also iran needs to understand that lebanon and gaza depend on the iranians. Its only the iranians fighting for them. They need to become stronger to help them. Currently the iranis cant protect themsleves let alone lebanon. I just hope the iranis attack us ships and level tel aviv when bombing begins again. There will be one more round of bombings and then there will be a deal.
 
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RedRock said:
Agreed, they are useless. But fact remains that by bombing them how does iran benefit, how does israel get punished, how does america get punished. I get it, they are american bases and all but does it reallyy other america, i dont think so otherwise the americans would have vacted those bases by now. By bombing the arabs oil fields they are putting their own oil fiels in the cross hairs. Also, how does bombing atabs refineries punish israel and usa.
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Well, at the bare minimum, we disincentivize future support for repeated attacks on Iran. And we sent our regional adversaries back in time. The period of watching Iran die a slow death while leveraging it to their benefit to the maximum has ended for these Arabs.

As Trump said before the 2025 June war, only Qatar and Oman didn't want the US and Isael to attack Iran. Nearly every other Arab state around us was asking Trump to attack Iran, and was willing to even finance it. They thought they would stay immune from the consequences of such an attack on Iran, and they did the first round, but now they know they won't.

The US has hundreds of billions of dollars of direct foreign investment in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. The IT infrastructure in the Emirates alone is the backbone of many cloud services and AI services of the US giant tech companies. So, if we continue to hit these targets, the US will get punished. As for Israel, Israel is being hit directly as well, albeit not in a way that establishes deterrence, but if the US is deterred, Israel will be too.

Most of the US bases around us are already inoperable for the time being. Evacuated or not, they have been hit in a way that it takes months or years to rebuild them. Some of the radars hit in the US military bases around us will take years to replace, assuming an uninterrupted flow of rare-earth materials.
 
RedRock said:
Iran military guys need to understand their capabilities and also understand the us and israel capabilities. Currently they are not in a position to level tel aviv or their military bases or us ships. By bombing the gulf countries iran is doing israelis bidding. Weakening the arabs so that israel can finish them off. Either iranis bomb the living hell out of israel and usa aircraft carriers and ships or they negotiate.

Because iran needs to understand, they are 3 things israel wants accomplished:
1- weaken and denuclearize iran
2- capture lebanon lands
3- weaken gulf countries

Now iran needs to decide what do they want too acheive. What are their goals. War has been imposed upon them and they need to understand that they dont stand a chance militarily to win. Your capital is being bombed for Gods sake. You can not win militarily, even though you have our prayers and we hope u can, but be realistic. Lose this battle not the war. Take the diplomatic win. Negotiate now get an end to the hostilites get your economy back on track, rebuild your defences and then by God go on the offensive, we will support you. But currently you are damaging your own country even more.

I know its easy to say for us since we are not involved and dont kmow what they are going through but irgc needs to back down now. They are infront now, take the win and negotiate. Fight another day. Otherise you will not only lose this battle but you will lose the war. God help them, the lebanese and the Palestinians. I wish we muslims were strong enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. But sadly no muslim country has the jewels to do so. Sad but true.
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No, UAE and Bahrain are doing the Jew bidding, and quite happily too. They deserve everything that's to them. I can live with a $10/gal of gas and a collapsed world economy so the Bin Epsteins do not win. This is bigger than just Lebanon or whatever you're peddling - its about control of the massive oil resources that they need to devour the rest of the world in Ai enslavement. They want total subjugation which means control of the Shia mind via their hand-picked Ayatollahs. They are Satanic orientalists who will not rest until they are defeated, or attain their goals.
 
The SC said:


This is not good for Iran's reputation or image..since it is imposing a blockade on the whole world's economy..while the US is imposing a blockade only on Iran!
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How would this damage Iran's reputation when those same countries condemning Iran would be the same countries that condemn Iranians for sneezing.
 
ShapurII said:
The US has hundreds of billions of dollars of direct foreign investment in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. The IT infrastructure in the Emirates alone is the backbone of many cloud services and AI services of the US giant tech companies. So, if we continue to hit these targets, the US will get punished. As for Israel, Israel is being hit directly as well, albeit not in a way that establishes deterrence, but if the US is deterred, Israel will be too.
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This is just as big as hitting the demonic entity. The petrol-dollars fuels their economy and societies which encompasses tech/defense. That's how they are able to spend so much on defense while neglecting human and social services. Taking this vital funding out of their hands will hamper their war-machine to outright m*rder Muslims at will across the Islamic world.
 
KingQamaR said:
I find it hard to imagine? We are being told. There are currently multiple factions now claiming to represent the Iranian government , Mojtaba Khamenei loyalists, and the civilian government?
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With Mojtaba Khamenei injured and probably out of decision making, it is likely that there is no one "Iranian government". There are many centers of power vying for influence. Bad enough during peacetime, terrible during war.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Add France into that list too..

The whole concept of the P5 has to retired, the UN should work by majority rule and not have veto power over anything anymore...
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France represents the EU, and it is qualified. The UK is the country that should be expelled from the P5.
 
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